59 years ago, the nation was shocked by a horrid attack on Pearl Harbor, This one act alone brought us closer yet also into war. Everyone, even those silly Canadians should reflect on the loss the United States suffered and the men that were sacrificed. __________________ [Edited by THC on 12-07-2000 at 09:06 AM] __________________ It's a very worthy post and deserves the respect in which it was written. Yes, it's not a deal, but without those people that died, we wouldn't have Got|Apex and our deals.__________________ Maybe you should learn some, THC. What an a$$h0le statement you made. GRRRRRR.__________________ guess I was in a bad mood or something. came out worse than it was supposed to. Sorry!Juussssst that there are a million things that we should remember and be thankful for. I'll remove my remark __________________ My Grandfather was assigined to the USS Arizona but was transfered two weeks before the attack. I thank God for that.Respect to those that died and their families. __________________ ...I think it is most disingenuous 2 solely put the blame on the Japanese people, considered the amount of evidence that has surfaced in recent years that Our government had gnowledge of the pending attack and allowed it 2 happen [like the Maine incident] 2 spur a peace~loving country in2 a massive foreign entanglement, all started by the British and their Pals. Look it UpI'll say it again  Like Roosevelt didn't gnow __________________ http://www.thenewamerican.com/depart...999/070499.htm__________________ Quote:
Renots I cannot believe that you posted a link to The New American. Those people put out the same paranoid, racist, ultra-nationalist propaganda that out grandfathers fought against! People like you believe the that United Nations is going to take over the world with its "Black Helicopters", well let me tell you something buddy, I work at the UN, and we are doing our best to make this world a better place, in the name of all those who fought and died for a free and democratic world... __________________ Wrong forum, this is not a deal...__________________ I appreciate everyones hospitality, I know this is not a money saving deal, yet it is part of history and was and is a big deal in our lives... I am not sure what the offensive post was but mind you I would have not posted had it not been warranted. I do believe like similar instances advance notice might have been possible. FDR may or may have known. I can't believe no notice was sent... Possibly senior officers knew. As for the movie, the most I can hope for is a SPR, which was "admitdly" full of action, at the same time, did a good portrayl of what people must have been thinking in the United States at the time. If continued discussion is necessary, feel free to do so in Off Topic (December 7, 1941: "A date which will live in infamy."). SEP __________________ Quote:
Glad 2 meet U badissy  __________________ The United Nations is trying to make the world a better place? Gimme a break!! I'll bet you believe that the WTO, the NAFTA agreement, and all of those other so-called organizations and treaties are furthering the cause of America. Thank God for so-called Extremist organizations for trying to relay un-filtered information to people who don't want to listen to the pablum-puking garbage spewed out by the liberal news media of our day.__________________ /me commands a 20 rifle Got|Apex salute to all to service men that kept this country so great.__________________ Seems to me that a few people on this board don't understand the meaning of the word respect.Lives were taken. Precious lives. Loved ones. Both American and Japanese suffered from this attack, even if it wasn't on the same day. Maybe not your loved ones or mine, but people suffered because of this day long ago. I believe it is inappropriate to say otherwise. Sometimes, not saying what you are thinking, is respect enough. If you disagree with the post of you feel otherwise about what happened so many years ago, please show respect to the others on this message board by not posting your worthless comments. __________________ Quote:
Bah! Spigs, you should be demoted for breach of policy! It's a 21 gun salute! But heck, you should get a promotion for suggesting it, so I guess you brake even... __________________ ok I wasn't going to reply to this but I feel like I should say something.Yes the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and b/c of that we went to war and people suffered. Let's not forget what the US did in response to the attack. We dropped 2 (not 1) Atomic Bombs over Japan. I know after the Japanese attacked the US the feeling was that this is war and anything goes. Well personally I think 2 atomic bombs being dropped over the small country was a little excessive to say the least. Now I am not Japanese or Asian for that matter, but I think that was the most horrific outcome of the pearl harbor attack. I, of course, have the deepest sympathy to all the people and their families that lost their lives on both sides. There were even rumors flying for a long time that there was a US conspiracy to have the Japanese attack Pearl Harbor so that we would have a reason to use the A-Bomb. I am sure that wasn't the case, but in any case it was a very sad day for both the US and Japan. ..oh and I think this should be moved to the off-topic forums...but that's just my opinion. __________________ here is the low down... and this i have studied now for about 3 years in my polisci classes.....the US government knew about pral harbor before it happened... and they let it happen... why? they needed to people to get rallied to go into WWII... and they also needed to rally congress... what better way than blaming intervention into WWII on an attack on america? basically... we have always been isolationists .. fortress america.. etc etc... the last encounter we had with EUROPE was in the war of 1812 against england over commerical rights... every other conflict was on colonies.... we got into WWI.. becuase if the 'good guys' lost... america would get SCREWED in world commerce... after teh roaring 20's and the great depression.... the people and congress did NOT want to go to war again... especially not after WWI... they figured that europeans were idiots..that always went to war.. why bother helping them out again.... when they would probably go to war AFTER WWII?! so.. FDR... he wanted to help out europe.. because he saw how important it was... that the allies win.. not only for commerce.. but for a multitude of reasons .. think aobut nazi germany,, fascist italy.... taking control of europe.. european commerce.. and the effect on american economy.. without ignoring the effects of japan controlling asia.... the people were devastaed by WWI... the great depression.. and the fact that WWII came about.. even after the treaties of WWI..... pearl harbor was a way to sucker congress and the people into going to war.... could it have been avioded?! SURE... it is a known fact taht the government knew beofre hand..... SHOULD it have been stopped.... probably NOT.... it served it's purpose.... nazi germany fell.. fascist italy fell.. and the japs got nuked saving asia..... which allows YOU..ME..your kids.. and your grandkids to enjoy america & american economy the way it is today.. and will be tomorrow.. so.. why is it that you people are bashing this thread? some people need more edjumication bout their history.. and need lo learn about R-E-S-P-E-C-T... alot of lives were sacrifice to get YOU where you are TODAY.... awknowledge it.... it's the LEAST you could do.... my 2 cents --==-- __________________ What's this about silly Canadains???Well for your information for the silly U.S.'ers I would like to post and have a moment of silence for the Montreal massacre in which 14 women were gunned down by mysginost Marc Lepine. The women mostly engineering students - were murdered in 1989 simply for being women at Ecole polytechnique 11 years ago in Canada's worst mass shooting. In 1991, Parliament declared Dec. 6 the National Day of Remembrance and Action on Violence against Women. Lepine yelled "you're all a bunch of feminists" before he began shooting. In addition to the 14 deaths - which included a young female employee shot in a hallway - there were 13 others injured, most of them female. Lepine took his own life at the school, which is part of the University of Montreal, where his application had been rejected.............. __________________ Quote:
You did NOT just call japanese people "japs"...holy ****, this place is turning into a Klan rally!!  __________________ Quote:
It certainly wasn't the case that Pearl Harbor was supposed to be an excuse to use nukes - the US didn't even know at the time of Pearl Harbor whether it was feasible to create a working nuke. As for the use of the nukes, it is sad that they were employed, but their use saved an invasion of Japan, which would have cost a ton of Japanese and American lives and resources. Further, the demonstration of a working bomb in a non-test situation gave notice to the Russians (who didn't have a bomb at that time) and the Germans that the same thing could happen to them. At the same time, it later served to remind the US people of the terrible consequences that a war with the Soviet Union would have. The immediate results of the bombs and the lessons learned from their use have been extremely valuable and in the end have most likely saved lives. __________________ Quote:
Well, that's a truckload of BS, Butchie boy. Yes, the first bomb saved lives. The second was entirely gratuitous. Japan was in the verge of/in the process of surrender, and then the US goes and dumps another bomb on Nagasaki. Don't tell me: the intent was to send a message to the Russians and Germans that the States had more than one? Gimme a break! __________________ Supox: The US was justified in dropping the Atomic bombs on Japan. The Japanese War Department didn't even want to stop the war even after the bombs had been dropped! It was the Emperor who broke the deadlock and decided to go for peace. Japanese cities were firebombed and some of those firebomb attacks killed just as many people as the bombs did. Those rumors you referred to are a bunch of bs. The A-bomb was made to be used on Germany not Japan. Luckily for Germany they surrendered before the bombs were ready. You reap what you sow and Japan in this case got exactly what was coming to it. __________________ Quote:
umm... see.... I am NOT P.C. that politically correct.......for those of you who do NOT know...... i believe that PC words are euphamisms... to aleviate certain emotions or connotations about a race.. or ethnic group..... 1984... george orwell.. Newsspeak... read the book... he was forecasting America ruled by Big Brother.... (cold war... president gained alot of power hint hint).... and then this bull**** about PC rolls in...... NEWSSPEAK..... trying to change words so they have different meanings.. japanese... japs... whats the damn difference? is my abbreviation of japanese to japs... a form of disrespect? if so.. get a life..... there are about a million other things that can be used in a DERROGATORY fashion.... japs is NOT one of them.... please tell me... WHY should i not call japanese... japs?? --==-- __________________ Quote:
Spoken like a true American fanboy. C'mon, sbp, I know you're above that! How in the hell can an predominantly civilian target's obliteration be "just"? __________________ Quote:
__________________ Its laughably sad how some here have swallowed this bs business of blaming the US for everything bad. Its Americas fault they always cry out. Give us a freaking break! __________________ Quote:
Thanks for the idiom lesson. Did you and avenger73 go to school together? There's a big difference between being not-PC and being flatly ignorant. You've obviously mistaken racial slur for being hip-ly un-PC. If you're as un-PC as you claim, then it's getting back to the roots to refer to blacks as porch monkeys and ******s, because that's what they were referred to as before that stupid civil rights movement, right? Yeah, good thing we beat the tar outta the gooks and *****s during the Korean War, hey, comrade! And goddamn all these immigrants! These Mexicans are runnin' around, stealin' jobs and droppin' babies into the good ol' US of A's educational system at my expense! I can say all this **** because I AIN'T PC! And BOY, does it feel good! Jap is a pejorative, fueled by a wartime propaganda machine and has its roots in internment camps and widespread racism towards Japanese people. If you can't see that, it's not because you're un-PC; it's because you're un-smart. __________________ Quote:
Naw, it's probably the anti-American slant a lot of history classes around the world have. Then again, it's equally laughable how some people swallow the patriotic bull**** we're/you're fed in school here. There really isn't any "truth" per se. __________________ Penny, if I remember correctly, the Japanese refused to surrender after the first bomb. Many believe that was the result of a series of miscommunications between the US and the Japanese authorities, but that doesn't change the fact that as far as the US was concerned, the first bomb was not successful in it's intended purpose. You are right that it was unnecessary as a warning to the Russians, the first bomb was sufficient for that purpose - but it DID serve a purpose. And, if it is any consolation, the second bomb is credited with killing only about 1/2-1/3 the people that the first bomb killed.Mavi forum |
Tuesday, June 12, 2007
December 7, 1941: "A date which will live in infamy."
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