Saturday, June 9, 2007

Very Candid Conversation

http://216.10.241.30/imc/nyc/realclintonbai.ram

~~~

No lame duck here

__________________
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=10067

~~~

Very good arguements for a Colin Powell Vice-Presidency

Mavi forum

I need legal advice...

I got into a big discussion with my roomates on the ongoing situation with the presidential election.


I need help finding supporting information for knowledge I've had since high school. I remember learning that the US Supreme Court can choose to try or review any case within their jurisdiction, as dictated by Article III. In other words, I remember hearing that the Supreme Court can take any case, without following the chain of command, if they choose. (Though it's rarely done, I know.) They could try a simple felony case if they wanted. I know it's one of their abilities, I just can't find it.

Does anyone out there have a clue what I'm talking about and where I could find it?

All I could find was this, but it doesn't spell it out very clearly as to what original action is...

http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/supct/17.html

__________________
Like MOD GAM the Supreme Court takes on cases on merit and public opinion
__________________
The court system is going to try to stay away from this as much as possible.
__________________
Then can take a case but most that are taken without the progression of the lower courts and appeals and all that other legal bull**** are taken becaseu they are of constitutional matters
mainly the ones that have the potential to tunr into a huge **** storm of not reckoned with,

matters like discrimination and humanity crimes

no idea where to find it but i know what you are tlaking aobut
ill do a bit of random searching and let ya know when and if i find anyhting
__________________
try here
http://www.supremecourtus.gov/

they have a case handeling guide and some thoer stuff tha may be of intrest or help to you
__________________
The parties involved can make an expedited appeal.

Mavi forum

Free advice for whoever the NeXt President is

[list=1][*]Don't be a NAZI. We're on to Ur dirty tricks and are ready with flamethrowers[metaphorical ones, so don't be sendin' in the BATF]
[*]End the Stupid and Wasteful War on Some Drugs. It's about run out of steam and will soon be counted in the negative column for politicians who choose to pursue it. See point 1.
[*]What~ever sweeping legislation U propose, put ALL the facts on the table and rule by Consensus, not cockyness{OR with Ur Cock]. They're a lot of informed, intelligent people out there giving advice; listen to it as much as possible and avoid Ivory Tower[or Black Tower as I like to see washington] Blinders syndrome.
[*]Regulate and Censor the Internet at your own risk; it will not win U very much popularity and if U push it U can say 'goodbye' to any chance of a second term, especially once we dump the electoral college BS. Not too many fans of it at this particular time and for good reason.
[*]Legalize Hemp and decriminalize Cannabis. This is long overdo and with the acceleration in environmental changes the Right Thing to Do.
[*]Can Federal Reserve Notes. A real economy deserves a real currency.
[*]Cut Income Taxes Quick and liquidate non-constitutional federal government assets to pay off seniors in exchange for ending the ponzi scheme we gnow as SS. The federal government should not be involved in prisons or retirement benefits. Leave this up to states and cities.
[*]Bring back our Boys{and Gals]. America's destiny does not lie in being the new roman empire. If the old schoolers want a NWO let them finance it themselves; America's military is for Americans. Fight to establish 2nd amendment rights around the world; then see how few countries fall for the scourge of communism/socialism.
[*]Solve Problems, don't create long term programs that R destined to skyrocket in cost. The American people R quite self-reliant if given the opportunity; it's what our country was based on.
[*]Energy should be considered a inalienable right in an advanced society. If you do everything in Ur power to spur widespread use in the US of clean. efficient and renewable energy sources, U will guarantee Ur place in the history books.[/list=1]

That's all for now; U can elect me president when I'm old enough

;0)

[Edited by renots on 11-10-2000 at 06:03 AM

Mavi forum

See ya all

when I get back from the land of the wooden-shoe people!

__________________
the land of what?
__________________
stoners and dikes, not San Francisco

Amsterdam!
__________________
id like to go to holland sometime
wooden shoe?
__________________
ok bye

Mavi forum

Got | Apex? T-shirts

OK, first off, a big thanks goes out to Susan D from Indy who came up with the saying.

This is the SAMPLE for our first T-Shirt run. The production run will actually be slightly different (there will be 1 more full space between "I" and "get" and "get" and "it" to make it easier to read, and the logo on front will be about 20cm higher).






I have it in my hand now. Man, I love it. Heh. I can't wait until I see the first person running around with one of these. Now to figure out how to get one to everyone...

__________________
Nice.

I'll wear it everyday.
__________________
That's assuming I get one.
__________________
I think that deserves a big fat "Hell yes"...

Very nice work.

When/how can we get em?
__________________
Those are terrific. Man, I'd give my left nut for...well, a month on a deserted island with Tea Leoni. BUT, I'd still really like one of the T-shirts!
__________________
woohoo!!!
its about time.


now when are we having the GotApex get together in LA??
__________________
Nice!
__________________
...is Apex trying to say something with the back of the T-shirt? Apex gets it every morning?!? [shocked]

__________________
they are great looking! are they coming in different colors or only white? i voted for black.. but i could have been confused and accidentally clicked on the white link. but oh well.
__________________
Very Nice!
__________________
Who's gettin these? I want one....PLEASE!!!
__________________
I have a suggestion on how to distribute these...

Stand in front of where you servers are colocated, and the first people figure it out and get there can have them.

HEHE... I know where it is and I colo there too...

Just my way of making sure I get one
__________________
And distribute them there, of course we would do regions... Midwest could be the hub, (Lets see the flames) Anyway Christmas? I will be in CA for 2 hrs on my way to Hawaii... Maybe I can stop in on the fun!
__________________
THE SHIRTS RULE MAN! YOU RULE APEX!!!

We've all got to wear them to E3 this year! I've got three friends who are planning to go with me this year, so this could whoop ass!
ProMinx
__________________
Man, I want that T-shirt.
__________________
It's actually going to be very easy to get a t-shirt, and if we run out, we're going to buy more. So no one has to worry about not getting one. And yes, I'm going to do my best to make it cost free for everyone. Brainstorm time...
__________________
Wonderful!

I want one to wear my last day at work!
Which won't be for a while!

__________________
yeah right. I signed up for it several months ago and never got it. I think it's a scam.
__________________
Bah, that's cause you clicked on the wrong radio button. You're supposed to click on the radio button with the BIG ARROW that was labeled "Send me a Shirt" instead of the one marked "Don't click me".
__________________
Sounds like another Staples fiasco to me!
__________________
Uh oh, I hope this does not lead to the end of another death in the dot com world!

Life without got | apex? What would I do at work all day?


__________________
Work? LOL


Seriously Apex, have you thought about having someone sponsor it? Like Amex Blue or someone that you are in good with... Could put a small line of advertising such as "sponsored by http://www.example.com" under the gotApex.com on the back?
__________________
Yeah, you could do that, but I'd much rather DO something than wear an advertisement on my back

Maybe some sort of banner clicking process. I frankly have freaking clue how much you get paid for banner click-throughs, but maybe some sort of proof that you've clicked 15 banners or something...
__________________
why dont we all just kick down for the shirts. if we all by them we'll get a volume discount of some sort. i wouldnt mind giving up $10 or $15 for a shirt
__________________
Quote:
Originally posted by TheBluGuy
Who's gettin these? I want one....PLEASE!!!

Me too... Please, please, please!
__________________
Quote:
Originally posted by pennypinch
Yeah, you could do that, but I'd much rather DO something than wear an advertisement on my back

Maybe some sort of banner clicking process. I frankly have freaking clue how much you get paid for banner click-throughs, but maybe some sort of proof that you've clicked 15 banners or something...




well, you will be wearing an advertisement for Got|Apex?
__________________
how is this gonna work?

r u giving one away to active members?

or do we have to spit out some $$$...
__________________
As att mentioned, I wouldn't mind to spend $10 on Got Apex? t-shirt. If you only give out to active members, how do you determine whether he(she) is.
__________________
i don't want one...

ok i lied, i just wanted to be different.
__________________
I'm picking up the first 500 tomorrow (monday).

Mavi forum

Is it just me or is the site slow today?

The gotapex site is really lagging today, is anyone else having the same problem?

__________________
The sluggishness may be due to high internet traffic because of the lack of an election decision.
__________________
Site isn't lagging, but the forums are. The problem is the PHP files tend to like to load up all at once, so if something lags, the whole page lags. We've ditched all the ads on the forums, and they're full speed now.
__________________
i bet its high internet traffic from people download CS 1.0!!!!!

YEAH!! w00t!

Mavi forum

SSSSSSLOWNESSSSSSSSSSSSS

Here we go again.

__________________
yep
__________________
quick fix...

Mavi forum

need cool birthday gift ideas

Calling all got apexers--I need a some gift ideas for my soon-to-be-a-quarter-of-a-century year old boyfriend. Help me out guys...

Thanks,
Michelle

__________________
What kind of money do you hope to spend?

-With men his age electronics has to be the ticket! Or become a hot little nymph, buy some victoria secrets stuff, and shoot a video. That's special if you don't already do that stuff. ( Just my birthday wish anyway, I'm 24, close enough!)
__________________
If ya want something pretty inexpensive and rather nifty, I like the idea of a barbershop style hot lather machine for shaving. Conair makes a model that I know sells through Hammacher Schlemmer, but I'm sure you could get it elsewhere for cheaper. Hammacher has it for less than $40 though.
__________________
Sam's club has a bad a$$ foosball table for about 200$.
Buy it
__________________
I like the foosball idea...but pretty impractical. Know of any cheap dart boards?

He doesn't have enough facial hair to warrant a shaving thingy (sorry honey ) and he would LOVE the Victoria's Secret idea but um...heh...

ANYWAY, I was thinking something practical and cool and electronic or something incredibly fun and creative. What's hot now? I'm going shopping on Saturday, so keep the ideas coming. Thanks!
__________________
what about some tickets to a sporting event or concert or something? although i think that might be a good "additional" gift to go along with one main gift.. what that could be, i dont know. i would say that electronics are your best bet.. maybe a pda or something?
__________________
OK, as someone who submitted his Christmas list to his family last month (), I think I've already given it a lot of thought. Broken out into price categories:

Expensive:

2001 Porsche Turbo. I think you'll get some pretty sweet lovin' if he gets this. Hell, I'll freaking marry you if you get ME this!
A new house
Big screen TV. Note: I think all men sort of consider the TV as a barometer of their personal success. To have a really humongous TV, you have to have a pretty nice house, and for that, you have to have a little money. Perhaps a gigantic TV would misrepresent your BF's bank account, but a NICE TV would sure make him pretty happy (and feel good about himself!)
Travel
Great seats to a pro sporting event
A stainless and platinum Rolex Yacht master

Mid-range:
Decent seats to a pro-sporting event
Brietling makes very nice and sort of mid-range watches that would make most men cream their pants.
A briefcase. Tumi makes ones that are effectively indestructible, for reasonable money. Sort of impersonal, though...
Sony Glasstrons. If you can't afford a huge TV, simulate a huge TV.
A Porsche Boxter
If you're looking at clothes, forget it (unless it's from Zegna or Canali). It just looks like you're trying to change us.
A fully stocked woodshop is something I've always kind of wanted. I don't know why, but it just seems like something I'd be really interested in.
A really nice bed. That is something I use every goddamn day, and I could always use a nicer one (although the one I have now ain't that bad).

Inexpensive:
A PS2
a really nice cell (although that gives off the impression you want one more device with which to check up on him)
Spa treatment. Just because we're burly men-men, does NOT mean we don't like to indulge in the sensual (sensuous? I can't remember which is which...ah, frankly, we like both probably equally).
A night w/ yo' boy at the strip club. I **** you not, this can be a lot of fun.
Forget crappy seats to a sporting event. It's not usually worth it.
A piece of AV equipment (i.e., a DVD player, MD recorder, something he doesn't already have. It's tough to find a piece of techmo-gizmetry that a guy DOESN'T like, so long as he doesn't already have one).
Shoes. Shoes, shoes, shoes. We loves the footwear.
Concert tix work well. To a band HE likes. I once got Lillith Fair tix from a girl-friend. Gee, thanks.
While a barbershop-like shaving cream machine is an awesome idea, you could always just get him a bunch of barbershop shaves. Or just a general scrubdown: haircut, shave, new clothes, manicure, pedicure, etc.
Making movies is also an excellent idea.
Sox and underwear. I cannot stress the neccessity of these, well, neccessities.
If a bed is too expensive, check out those pillows at Brookstone. A buddy of mine got one, and cannot stop raving about it.


THINGS TO AVOID:

Wood.
Pens. Nothing says "I couldn't give a **** about you" like a pen.
A kid.
By sports tickets, I do not mean tractor pulls, bear or alligator wrestling, or female boxing (yikes!).
Whores are ALWAYS bad gifts from GF's, no matter how good an idea it may seem like to begin with.
Along the same lines: VD.
"Honey, this is Rick. We've been sleeping together for the last month and a half."
Paper weights.
Porn. While it's kind of fun and kinky on the day, it has a shelf life of, oh, 48 hours.
Distrust, jealousy, and incessant nagging.

[Edited by pennypinch on 11-09-2000 at 02:09 PM]
__________________
Fooseball is the way to go
excellent idea fake
im am right in that age area and would love to hav eon of them
BUY IT!!!!!!!!!!
__________________
Who plays foosball anymore? No one plays that game unless they are in college or on Friends!

Unless he lives in a fraternity house, forget the foosball!
__________________
motorized scooter... would be cool...

but I think that along with whatever other gift you give him.... the "home movie" is a must! maybe hide it in his sock drawer or under his someplace he's sure to check pretty often... don't put with in the kitchen or some obscure place guys don't usually check...

If possible, actually have him sit down and watch the video. Then when the movie's done rolling, walk out in the outfit you were wearing in the vid......

ooo... a nice sound system for his car would be nice too...
__________________
Very entertaining and funny post, Pennypinch. All the ideas are really great, and the home movie thing seems to be a pretty popular idea. Of course, I'm sure he'd need a video camera with that (he doesn't have one) if he wants to, er, add to the tape...

Okay, that was probably too big a hint since he somehow found this discussion and posted a message.

Still, you guys deserve to know the fruits of your labor. Thanks everyone!



Mavi forum

Why is it that...

When SBP started the thread he did that some many people beleive to be racist in some sort of way, his thread was never once asked to be locked/closed/edited/removed/him banned/ etc... I am only stating my opinion like so many of us do in this forum.

ANOTHER OPINION: As far as anyone liking/disliking me in this forum is of no concern of mine. I dont know any of you personally and dont want to get to know any of you. If yall dont want me in here why not ask GAM to put this on a VPN or something of that nature and not allow me any access.

TO BE OR NOT TO BE, THAT IS THE QUESTION.

__________________
Thank you for your honesty. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion REGARDLESS..someone will always be insulted or upset-even if the posts are HARMLESS simple DUMB posts (like the ones I was flamed for last week)....so post away. I'll share the flames with ya.
__________________
hey, i get a kick out of your dumb, uneducated statements

write what you want. but you could try being a little less offensive sometimes, there is really no need for nasty people in the world.

stooopid ok
rudeness not ok
__________________
Quote:
Originally posted by styleee
hey, i get a kick out of your dumb, uneducated statements

umm... that was pretty rude and nasty too...

can't we all just get along?
__________________
Hey, I agree with you for once. Asking to have threads locked or people banned is simply closed minded. Why anyone would actually WANT to read some of your drivel is another matter, but it seems awfully un-American (especially in light of the presidential candidates!) to try and block stupidity.

THAT SAID, would it be too much to ask for you to turn down the duncery just a few hundred notches or so? I truly sympathize with whatever corporation or company was foolish enough to employ your services.

OBLONG: you still don't get it? No-one was upset with your posts for being stupid or anything like that. We WERE pissed that you were using this as your own little web-based Instant Messanger. There are buttons SPECIFICALLY PLACED ON EACH MESSAGE to facilitate such communication...
__________________
Quote:
Originally posted by Chinpoko_Mon
Quote:
Originally posted by styleee
hey, i get a kick out of your dumb, uneducated statements

umm... that was pretty rude and nasty too...

can't we all just get along?


Everbodies a bunch hypocrites, all doing the same thing they dont we doing. Like you've stated above.
__________________
Isn't it amazing how people think that they themselves are not bigoted and prejudiced and think that everybody else is? I will at least admit that I am bigoted and prejudiced and will not attempt to fool others or myself that I am not. Just listen to a person long enough and you will find that they are prejudiced and bigoted.
__________________
Quote:
Originally posted by johnnymk
Isn't it amazing how people think that they themselves are not bigoted and prejudiced and think that everybody else is? I will at least admit that I am bigoted and prejudiced and will not attempt to fool others or myself that I am not. Just listen to a person long enough and you will find that they are prejudiced and bigoted.

Never said that I was/wasnt.
__________________
Pennypinch must be some kind of mind-reader...

Milk - I'm not terribly concerned with the content of your posts being offensive. But what does bother me is your close mindedness. You say that we should just accept your opininons, but you yourself don't even try to understand ours.

Blu
__________________
Quote:
Originally posted by Chinpoko_Mon
Quote:
Originally posted by styleee
hey, i get a kick out of your dumb, uneducated statements

umm... that was pretty rude and nasty too...

no, i was stating facts. i never take what gotmilk says to heart. gotmilk is a troublemaker , he likes to stir things up a bit.

and i'm mean. mean styleee. so shoot me. i'll be the first to admit it.
__________________
I don't have much time to look through the forums, so I leave it mostly to the Mods.

Gotmilk: Please post below the URL of

Quote:
SBP started the thread he did that some many people beleive to be racist in some sort of way

I'll read it and make a decision.
__________________
Quote:
Originally posted by styleee
no, i was stating facts. i never take what gotmilk says to heart. gotmilk is a troublemaker , he likes to stir things up a bit.

and i'm mean. mean styleee. so shoot me. i'll be the first to admit it.

I don't think anyone's looking to "shoot" anyone here...
I was merely making a comment that you weren't exactly being polite. But since you say that you are a mean person. I'll take your word for it and leave it at that.

__________________
Quote:
Originally posted by TheBluGuy
Pennypinch must be some kind of mind-reader...

Milk - I'm not terribly concerned with the content of your posts being offensive. But what does bother me is your close mindedness. You say that we should just accept your opininons, but you yourself don't even try to understand ours.

Blu

I am not concerned about whether or not you accept my post or not, i just simply post them.

As far as everyone else is concerned I understand them completely.

[just jokin']You for example:

Your blu and a guy.
Renots is probably denots right now.
Chosenfool was chosen by someone here to be a fool.
Coleslaw is nasty because he named himself after something nasty.
Pennypinch doesnt like to share to much.
Etc, etc, etc.[/just jokin']

J/K.

Seriously though, I will start being more considerate.

CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG
__________________
Quote:
No-one was upset with your posts for being stupid
or anything like that

Actually I was
__________________
Quote:
Originally posted by gotmilk

Seriously though, I will start being more considerate.

[/b]

I swear I've heard that line before...
__________________
I will TRY to be more considerate of others.

JUST FOR NANO.

[Edited by gotmilk on 11-09-2000 at 01:28 PM]
__________________
well everyone had the right to be heard in here, hence the whole idea of a public forum

but everyone aalso has the right to be heard without being attacked

so if you attack someone elses stamtments then your saying that its okay for you yourself to be attacked
keept this in mind
otherwise post what you want

__________________
hey, I can take a hint here... I reacted a littl too hash in the other thread, so:

Gotmilk, I apologize.
__________________
Quote:
Originally posted by gotmilk
When SBP started the thread he did that some many people beleive to be racist in some sort of way, his thread was never once asked to be locked/closed/edited/removed/him banned/ etc... I am only stating my opinion like so many of us do in this forum.

ANOTHER OPINION: As far as anyone liking/disliking me in this forum is of no concern of mine. I dont know any of you personally and dont want to get to know any of you. If yall dont want me in here why not ask GAM to put this on a VPN or something of that nature and not allow me any access.

TO BE OR NOT TO BE, THAT IS THE QUESTION.
Why is it that gotmilk thought it was okay to post an unacceptable picture?

Here's a more important question:
Why is it that gotmilk has never helped people in any of the following forums?[list=A][*]Hardware[*]Software & OS[*]Overclocking[*]Tweals & Hacks[*]Technical Support[*]Games[/list=A]Hell you've never even posted in one of those forums!

Why is that gotmilk hasn't helped out got|apexers via email? Just ask our friend Bloodlymess for confirmation on the BH-6 motherboard help I gave him.

TO HELP OR NOT TO HELP, THAT IS THE PROBLEM!

"As far as anyone liking/disliking me in this forum is of no concern of mine. I dont know any of you personally and dont want to get to know any of you." See that is your problem gotmilk. I care about this bbs and the people that post on it. I care about Bloodymess and his loss. You don't and that's your loss.

TO CARE OR NOT TO CARE, THAT IS YOUR SELF-EVIDENT PROBLEM!

P.S. the Mods are busy making sure this bbs runs smoothly. Don't bother them with drivel.

[Edited by sbp on 11-09-2000 at 04:00 PM]
__________________
[quote]Originally posted by sbp
Quote:
Why is it that gotmilk thought it was okay to post an unacceptable picture?

Here's a more important question:
Why is it that gotmilk has never helped people in any of the following forums?[list=A][*]Hardware[*]Software & OS[*]Overclocking[*]Tweals & Hacks[*]Technical Support[*]Games[/list=A]Hell you've never even posted in one of those forums!

Why is that gotmilk hasn't helped out got|apexers via email? Just ask our friend Bloodlymess for confirmation on the BH-6 motherboard help I gave him.

TO HELP OR NOT TO HELP, THAT IS THE PROBLEM!

"As far as anyone liking/disliking me in this forum is of no concern of mine. I dont know any of you personally and dont want to get to know any of you." See that is your problem gotmilk. I care about this bbs and the people that post on it. I care about Bloodymess and his loss. You don't and that's your loss.

TO CARE OR NOT TO CARE, THAT IS YOUR SELF-EVIDENT PROBLEM!

P.S. the Mods are busy making sure this bbs runs smoothly. Don't bother them with drivel.

[Edited by sbp on 11-09-2000 at 04:00 PM]


WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING.

ARE YOU SAYING BECAUSE YOU HAVE HELPED A FEW PEOPLE THAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO POST WHATEVER YOU WANT?
__________________
No, he's saying that if you help out around here, fix people's problems rather than creating problems and starting fights that you will be able to post a broader range of things and not get flamed. Gotmilk, you like to start problems. Your history has shown that. This is the reason the mods are more harsh on you. They don't want something big to happen that would offend many people. If you want to be treated the same as others here, act the same. Change your ways. If you don't like the way the mods are more careful around you, get up and leave. It's your choice to stay here. I can tell you that many people would not miss you. So you have a choice. You can either:
A. Stay here and post and run the risk of getting flamed. If you don't like this then choose choice B.
B. Leave. It's that simple. Just don't come here any more.

Just my $0.02
__________________
I think the point is that sbp doesn't proactively try to annoy people here, which is more than I can say for you. Whatever opinions he might have, and as vehemently as I disagree with him, at least it is clear there is some level of intellectual activity behind his posts. Again, more than I can say for you.

You have successfully made yourself perhaps the most reviled person here, not because you don't think like us, because none of us think the same way. It is because you don't seem to think, period. You say you're sorry you're annoying, but that this is your way of blowing off steam. Well, don't wonder why everyone delights in dogpiling onto your exhibitions of dud-ness.

The argument that this is off-topic and thus anything goes is both stupid and childish: open-ness carries a basic level of responsibility; believe it or not, there actually ARE things that aren't fit to post, as they are a waste of bandwidth. Many of your posts are the literary equivalent of http://www.eat-a-bag-of-dicks.com .

I honestly can't believe I've wasted this much typing on you. I've said my piece.

Mavi forum

I just got myself...

Another Stripey!!!

Who was a bigger badass, Patton or MacArthur?

Rommel or Napoleon?

Alexander the Great, Charlemagne, or Attila the Hun?


__________________
Patton

Napoleon

Attila the Hun
__________________
yup

Mavi forum

pets.com going under?

I got this in my email, they are ceasing operaitons as of november 9th..

Dear Diana,

We greatly appreciate your contribution to the Pets.com Associates Program. Unfortunately, we must notify you that effective Thursday, November 9, Pets.com will cease operations and will no longer be taking customer orders on our Web site.

We request that you remove all links to Pets.com from your Web site at your earliest convenience. Those links will be de-activated by Befree on or around November 16. All payments for referral fees you have earned will be processed as normal.

For more information, please see the press release at
http://www.pets.com/footer/press_rel...se_110700.html

Thank you for your cooperation.

Pets.com Associates Program



You are receiving this e-mail because you are a member of our affiliate program.
If you are no longer interested in receiving such e-mails from us please click the link

Mavi forum

Sex, Entheogens, and Guns

Got|them all here

wHo could ask for more?

(0;

__________________
I saw the title, dashed here in about .00003892673 seconds, and this is all there is to see?

Mavi forum

You'll probably hate me for this....

FUCC BUSH

How tha hell yall gon support that muthafucca?? if u voted or supported bush last night then you were joined by david duke ,tha kkk ,mark furman ,skinheads, redneccs, inbreeders and graduated members of tha trench coat mafia...if u down with republican shyt then those are your folks...in my book ,FUCC REPUBLICANS!!!....they only give a damn about tha white rich folks they give a fucc bout minorities or poor whites...theyed rather see us shotdown or on loc-kdown...all republicans are is klansmen hiding behind a political front instead of hiding behind a bedsheet...fucc gop and all tha baby hitlers that support em

[Edited by gotmilk on 11-08-2000 at 02:27 PM]

__________________
...ummmm.... yeah...
__________________
Thats right let it all out son. You feel better now? You can say **** its okay. Really.
__________________
Damn
right on dawg
ya can spit tha lit with tha best of 'em
i totally agree **** those candy assjagoffs
__________________
Are you drunk again?
__________________
I think it's best to do your research first and educate yourself before making a fool of yourself in front of those who are themselves educated.
__________________
Quote:
Originally posted by coleslaw
I think it's best to do your research first and educate yourself before making a fool of yourself in front of those who are themselves educated.

Why would I be making a fool of myself...
__________________
Quote:
Originally posted by gotmilk
all republicans are is klansmen hiding behind a political front instead of hiding behind a bedsheet...fucc gop and all tha baby hitlers that support em
enough said
__________________
Quote:
Originally posted by pennypinch
Are you drunk again?

DRINKING IS BAD FOR THE MIND. Although I will be drunk/drinking when I get home.
__________________
when will gotmilk ever stop being an a$$hole? my o my. If the democrats had won, you wouldn't see a bunch of conservatives on this board cussing them out like that.

get a life.
grow up.

Would the GAM please close this thread. It's VERY offensive to many people on this board, and completely un-called for.
__________________
I agree. Perhaps gotmilk should have titled this thread: "Another reason to hate me..."
__________________
I'm pretty sure they still havent declared a winner, right?
__________________
GOT - I seem to remember you saying that you weren't going to vote. No offense, but I don't think you have much of a right to complain if you didn't vote. Just my two cents
__________________
No, they have. gotmilk is the big winner in the casino tonight. yay, gotmilk's the winner! gotmilk's the 23 year old winner...



Hey, what happened to the old signature? Hit a little too close to home?
__________________
Quote:
Originally posted by gotmilk
Quote:
Originally posted by pennypinch
Are you drunk again?

DRINKING IS BAD FOR THE MIND. Although I will be drunk/drinking when I get home.

IF drinking = bad for the mind
AND gotmilk's mind = bad

THEN gotmilk = drinking + drinking + drinking + drinking + drinking + drinking + drinking +...

__________________
[quote]Originally posted by Nanotech9
when will gotmilk ever stop being an a$$hole? my o my. If the democrats had won, you wouldn't see a bunch of conservatives on this board cussing them out like that.[quote]

I wouldn't bet on that. If they weren't cussing out, then they'd probably be plotting an assassination or something

Quote:
Would the GAM please close this thread. It's VERY offensive to many people on this board, and completely un-called for.

Would people on this board quit whining for GAM to come to the rescue? Were you the types of kids who always cried out "MOMMY!!!!" when you and your sibling were fighting and you wanted to get them in trouble? I certainly hope not. Maybe everyone should grow up. If you don't like his posts, don't read them. This is a public forum and as long as his post is meant for the public (oh no, here we go again), he has a right to post here. Wouldn't it be nice if we could police ourselves instead of relying on some "authority?" If a large amount of people let him know that they don't like his posts, he will probably stop. If this doesn't stop him, or gets him off even more, than no one reading or replying to any of his posts will cause him to get bored and quit. I hate to sound like my mother, but your only encouraging him!!!
__________________
Quote:
Originally posted by zenbooty

Would people on this board quit whining for GAM to come to the rescue? Were you the types of kids who always cried out "MOMMY!!!!" when you and your sibling were fighting and you wanted to get them in trouble? I certainly hope not. Maybe everyone should grow up. If you don't like his posts, don't read them. This is a public forum and as long as his post is meant for the public (oh no, here we go again), he has a right to post here. Wouldn't it be nice if we could police ourselves instead of relying on some "authority?" If a large amount of people let him know that they don't like his posts, he will probably stop. If this doesn't stop him, or gets him off even more, than no one reading or replying to any of his posts will cause him to get bored and quit. I hate to sound like my mother, but your only encouraging him!!!

Amen to that, booty. Closing, locking threads, deleting threads, editing posts, banning members, reporting hate speech...where does it end? It's a slippery slope I sincerely hope the lords of the domain are not considering.

Grow a bit of a skin, people. So he's an idiot. Can you think of nothing better than asking some high power to come and shut him up? Either illustrate what a cerebral crustacean he is (my personal favorite) or just ignore him...
__________________
dude, GotMilk has some serious opposition on this board. I can't say as I blame them, due to his offensve comments, but wow... Well, I'm a republican, so anything you want to say about "mah people", you have to say it directly to me. Don't make generalizations; it shows your ignorance...especially when dealing with half of the population.
ProMinx
__________________
Quote:
Originally posted by zenbooty

Would people on this board quit whining for GAM to come to the rescue? Were you the types of kids who always cried out "MOMMY!!!!" when you and your sibling were fighting and you wanted to get them in trouble? I certainly hope not. Maybe everyone should grow up. If you don't like his posts, don't read them. This is a public forum and as long as his post is meant for the public (oh no, here we go again), he has a right to post here. Wouldn't it be nice if we could police ourselves instead of relying on some "authority?" If a large amount of people let him know that they don't like his posts, he will probably stop. If this doesn't stop him, or gets him off even more, than no one reading or replying to any of his posts will cause him to get bored and quit. I hate to sound like my mother, but your only encouraging him!!!

Sometimes I have some pretty decent post, though.
__________________
BUSH IS AN IDIOT!!! Do you really want him as the most powerful man in the world?
__________________
Here we go again . . .
__________________
I wouldn't go so far as to call him an IDIOT, but
I really don't see Bush as Presidential material.... doesn't even look the part. I'm afraid he might get his
a$$ kicked by foreign leaders.

Then he'll probably do what his father did.

Send in the troops.....
__________________
Quote:
Originally posted by pennypinch
Quote:
Originally posted by zenbooty

Would people on this board quit whining for GAM to come to the rescue? Were you the types of kids who always cried out "MOMMY!!!!" when you and your sibling were fighting and you wanted to get them in trouble? I certainly hope not. Maybe everyone should grow up. If you don't like his posts, don't read them. This is a public forum and as long as his post is meant for the public (oh no, here we go again), he has a right to post here. Wouldn't it be nice if we could police ourselves instead of relying on some "authority?" If a large amount of people let him know that they don't like his posts, he will probably stop. If this doesn't stop him, or gets him off even more, than no one reading or replying to any of his posts will cause him to get bored and quit. I hate to sound like my mother, but your only encouraging him!!!

Amen to that, booty. Closing, locking threads, deleting threads, editing posts, banning members, reporting hate speech...where does it end? It's a slippery slope I sincerely hope the lords of the domain are not considering.

Grow a bit of a skin, people. So he's an idiot. Can you think of nothing better than asking some high power to come and shut him up? Either illustrate what a cerebral crustacean he is (my personal favorite) or just ignore him...

ok, ok, you've both got a point.
the truth is, I think I may know gotmilk in real life, and if he's the person I suspect him to be, he is a the most obnoxious (sp?) loud-foul-mouthed disrespectful person I've ever met or even heard of.

and if not, I apologize for making incorrect accusations.
__________________
Quote:
Originally posted by Nanotech9
ok, ok, you've both got a point.
the truth is, I think I may know gotmilk in real life, and if he's the person I suspect him to be, he is a the most obnoxious (sp?) loud-foul-mouthed disrespectful person I've ever met or even heard of.

and if not, I apologize for making incorrect accusations.

Where you from?
__________________
I read a lot of answers to his posts, but they basically, he's stupid, he's crazy. The point still stands. The Republican party is the home of the white supremacists. It does favor wealthy white people. He's not saying that you (as a Republican) are a racist, but your cronies are.

'All that it takes for evil to flourish is for good men (and women) to do nothing.'

In my book you are aiding and abetting racism and classism by voting Republican.

The point is still valid, attacking the messenger does not change that. There is nothing wrong with using vernacular to make one's point. Mark Twain did it, Teddy Roosevelt did it.

So, in conclusion, quit your ****in' whining you Nazi lovers.

(Oh yeah, this is George Bush Sr. in Japan )
__________________
I think it's a bit of a stretch to compare gotmilk to Mark Twain.

And should we then say Democrats represent the black supremacist movement or organized crime because their membership is characterized by minorities and the labour movement?

The Republican party favours wealthy people, who largely happen to be white. Take care not to confuse correllation and causation.
__________________
Quote:
Originally posted by gotmilk
Quote:
Originally posted by Nanotech9
ok, ok, you've both got a point.
the truth is, I think I may know gotmilk in real life, and if he's the person I suspect him to be, he is a the most obnoxious (sp?) loud-foul-mouthed disrespectful person I've ever met or even heard of.

and if not, I apologize for making incorrect accusations.

Where you from?

somewhere in Oklahoma... if I'm not mistaken, your in Tulsa, and I'm taking a wild guess here, but possibly your first and last initials are M.W.

I'm using exact initials because if I used a name, the person I know would deny it was him if I didn't use a complete full perfectly spelled name. - something I'm not going to do just in case that person doesn't want their full name out on the web.

oh, and this person also has/does scuba-dive...

and, just in case anyone else is fixing to start whining about "personal" posts... YES, this is the last post I'm making in this thread if possible.
__________________
Quote:
Originally posted by pennypinch
I think it's a bit of a stretch to compare gotmilk to Mark Twain.

And should we then say Democrats represent the black supremacist movement or organized crime because their membership is characterized by minorities and the labour movement?

The Republican party favours wealthy people, who largely happen to be white. Take care not to confuse correllation and causation.


You could say that, but then you would be agreeing with me about the racists thing. That's your party and you can cry if you want to. Think about the most racist, bigoted person you know. Would he/she vote Republican? Yep.

The Republican party favors wealthy white people because wealthy white people favor the Republican party (it wasnt always this way). No causation or correlation. Just another of those vicious circles so prevalent in US politics.

So in conclusion, a picture entitled 'Blowfish' stolen from the fine folks at gothic.net
http://www.gothic.net/postcard/getcard.php?id=32
This is what I picture when I see 'W.' Pretty vacant, huh?
__________________
[quote]Originally posted by Nanotech9
Quote:
somewhere in Oklahoma... if I'm not mistaken, your in Tulsa, and I'm taking a wild guess here, but possibly your first and last initials are M.W.

I'm using exact initials because if I used a name, the person I know would deny it was him if I didn't use a complete full perfectly spelled name. - something I'm not going to do just in case that person doesn't want their full name out on the web.

oh, and this person also has/does scuba-dive...

and, just in case anyone else is fixing to start whining about "personal" posts... YES, this is the last post I'm making in this thread if possible.


And I thought I was caught

All I can say is wrong person, my initials is L.G.
As far as scuba diving, I cant even swim. Big no-no.
__________________
Quote:
Originally posted by fakesurfers
You could say that, but then you would be agreeing with me about the racists thing. That's your party and you can cry if you want to. Think about the most racist, bigoted person you know. Would he/she vote Republican? Yep.

The Republican party favors wealthy white people because wealthy white people favor the Republican party (it wasnt always this way). No causation or correlation. Just another of those vicious circles so prevalent in US politics.

First of all, I am NOT a Republican. Secondly, racism is not limited to white-on-minority discrimination. Black cab drivers not picking up black youths is racism, if I have to spell it out. Would that cab driver vote Republican? I don't know, but I doubt it. Also, if all these flaming racists are voting for the Republicans, who the hell is voting for Pat Buchanan?

Your polarized and exagerrated depiction of a centerist political party is dismally misguided. A significant portion of the population are Republican if only for religious reasons. Are you going to call them racists? I don't think they're right, but I wouldn't say that.

If you buy Nikes, you're encouraging "sweat shops". If you drive a car, it's either polluting heavily, or is allowing a company to sell more SUV's. If you watch basketball, you're reinforcing sport as a perferable alternative to school in one's road from poverty. If you use the Internet, you're increasing the likelihood someone's going to create a violently homophobic site, in hopes of attracting some of the growing traffic.

To act like your hands are so piously clean is laughable. Accept that you're as bigoted as the rest of us, and maybe you'll actually get past oversimplified partisanship.



Mavi forum

looking for OS Flaming websites

Greetings Apexers. I am doing a school project on websites that are dedicated to anti OS stuff and I am need your help. What I mean is basically websites written by big Macinstosh fans who are anti PC, or vice versa. I am also looking for anti Linux or Anti Unix pages as well. Any links you can help me out with would be much appreciated.
Peace.


__________________
I found a good example of the kind of site I am looking for. http://www.macssuck.com . Does anyone know of any other anti OS sites like this? Please APexers I need your help!
__________________
Geez, there must be a thousand of those...

Here are some I found:

http://www.ntsucks.com
http://www.linuxsucks.com
http://www.unix-vs-nt.org/
http://www.ihatebillgates.com/
http://srom.zgp.org/
http://www.bigw.org/~godfreyb/humor/...oft_sucks.html
http://www.linuxsucks.org/
http://www.linuxstinks.com/
http://www.ihatewindows98.com/
http://www.linux-sucks.com/

__________________
thanks alot Jeffbx I appreciate the help. I am trying to find 50 of these sites so if anyone else knows of any else, I would appreciate the additional info!

__________________
The main anti-OS site is here
__________________
I hate to bring back this nearly dead topic but I have 35 sites and I need 15 more. Does anyone know of any more anti OS sites or message boards? Thanks again.

Mavi forum

The Offical Election results

The offical result is i dont give a damn
I dont like eigther one of the three and would like to tlak about something else

so this thread is dedicated to those who could care less
lets talk about .....

__________________
And with which hand? How many incarnations has this been goin' on for? How's the bud in Tibet?
__________________
all very ritcheous questions by renots-able amigo
i canno answer them so let us turn them ver to the ,masses

__________________
I have a way to settle this fast.

Let them have a tag team match to the death. Last 2 standing are the Pres and Vice Pres.

"LET'S GET IT ON!!!"

Mavi forum

Give the country back to the people and not the politicians!

Do we pick the candidates who run for office? NO! Their political parties pick them and the parties allow us to vote for their candidates. How nice! Did the parties feel threatened when Nader wanted to debate in the presidential debates and was not allowed to do so? and I ask why not? He is a presidential candidate!

__________________
I agree with you on the fact that I hate bi-partisan rule, but if we allowed anyone who was on the ballat to enter in the presidential debates, it would look more like a congressional session. Do you know how many candidates run on the ballat of just ONE state?

...way too many frickin people.

Mavi forum

How much pr0n is too much pr0n?

I was talking to a young chap the other day and he told me he had over 1.3 Gigs of pr0n. . . The thing that got to me was that he wanted more. Isn't this a problem? Or am I getting old and conservative? I would hope that just 130Mb of pr0n would be enough. . . oh well. . . guess its just me perhaps that thinks this.

__________________
I posted this in another thread but there's a famous proverb that says, "when it's horny, it pours." That pretty much explains it all. "When the horny gets goin', the groin gets horny." There's just no stopping it.
__________________
'if the horny fits, wear it'
'early to bed, early to horny, makes one healthy , welathy and wise'

__________________
LOL....but still...

thats a lot of pr0n. who needs that much??
__________________
Quote:
Originally posted by K2
LOL....but still...

thats a lot of pr0n. who needs that much??

Do you REALLY want to know the answer to that?
__________________
dont look a gift horny in the mouth
__________________
...you R having to replace ur keyboard more than once a month.
__________________
or your mousepad
__________________
..or your monitor
..or your whole damn system for that matter
__________________
only 1.3 gigs???
__________________
Personally, I think pr0n is juat a senseless waste of space. My 40GB hard drive doesn't have enough room to bog down with pointless pictures.
__________________
Quote:
Originally posted by kick@ss
Personally, I think pr0n is juat a senseless waste of space. My 40GB hard drive doesn't have enough room to bog down with pointless pictures.

Pictures??? You Mean Mpegs
__________________
and yet it can help bring more pleasure than almost anything else you could have on that 40 gig
__________________
Quote:
Originally posted by kick@ss
Personally, I think pr0n is juat a senseless waste of space. My 40GB hard drive doesn't have enough room to bog down with pointless pictures.

Its not whether the PICTURES are pointless that we care about...
__________________
Assume: The 1.3 GB of porn was all pictures.

Claim: The average image size is 100 kB.

Therefore, the number of pictures =

1.3e9/100e3 = 1.3e4

Consequently, this person would have approximately 13,000 porn pictures. If that is not a lot, I don't know what is!!
__________________
damn he must own stock in johnson & johnson
fi he has that much pr0n
__________________
There's no such thing as too much porn.
__________________
I hate sticky keyboards...
__________________
haha

here's something I found amusing...

http://www.prehensile.com/does/2muchporn.htm

Mavi forum

Please tell me what you think of this idea

hey guys, me and a friend in high school got our ministers liscenses and started the "discount house of religion." well, since we have seperated, he has created his own up at his college. While I am still peddling the discount house of religion here at my school. But I now I am thinking on a more global scale. Check out my concept page for my new service: www.discountreligion.com. Please tell me what you think of it.

Also does anyone know where I can get a shopping cart of somekind? (for cheap, or even better, free!)


__________________
I think it's funny as hell, but I wouldn't pay for that if you seriously think of making money off of it. Then again, I'm not very religious either.
__________________
I'm not very religious, but I think you have some potential to make some $$$ and have some fun.

Why not offer a service for a donation where you send a card through the mail, or the Internet.

People can purchase/donate via CC, and you can send personalized cards or coupons to a recipient. You can offer forgiveness for a wide variety of offences etc.

Be careful. Churches wont like you cutting in on them if it works.

Work on your site. I think it's a blast.

Mo
__________________
what a bargain at a $1. Shouldn't this be listed on Got Deals? All the other churches want Ur eternal devotion or at least a couple a $$$. And let's not even get into how much temples want...

;0)
__________________
Maybe i'll post it in the deals section when i actually get it up and running.
__________________
Ok...I think it's a real funny page, but Im confused, I think it's a joke but Im not quite sure....do you actually plan to sell something? not to say i wouldn;t buy your product...im just curious as to how serious you are
__________________
Are souls available?
__________________
Quote:
Originally posted by sbp
Are souls available?

More importantly, will there be 47% off coupons and free shipping?
__________________
Quote:
Originally posted by sbp
Are souls available?
A soul shoppe will be available at a later date. I'm starting out small.

Quote:
Originally posted by renots
More importantly, will there be 47% off coupons and free shipping?

My discount isn't good enough for you? I'm not overcharging here like most... uh, places. But the $1.00 charge does include shipping.

And I do plan on selling these things, but the bastard lawyers will probably make me tack on the disclaimer "this is for entertainment purposes only." those whores . oh well, lets see how long i can go without it.
__________________
That is... um... uhhh... lame... yeah...

Can you buy eternal damnation for people you dislike? There could be a BIG money maker in that one.
__________________
If you wanna get ordained, you can do so online, for free. http://www.ulc.net/ordain.htm
__________________
You ain't gonna be drinking grape juice, vodka, and goofballs and catching some ship to Alpha Centauri anytime soon, are you?
__________________
Quote:
Originally posted by ChrisMG187
If you wanna get ordained, you can do so online, for free. http://www.ulc.net/ordain.htm

That's where i was ordained
__________________
I'm not an especially religious person....but I get the sneaking feeling that if I was to get ordained by that website....I would surely burn in hell
__________________
Quote:
Originally posted by quest577
I'm not an especially religious person....but I get the sneaking feeling that if I was to get ordained by that website....I would surely burn in hell

hey quest, youre gonna burn just for reading this thread!
see you all there!
As I made my choice early, Ive been offered a large starting salary and a director position.
When you get down there there, call my office and mention gotapex and i'll set you up real nice.

Mavi forum

dead heat

at 12 pm EST:

Gore 231 EV
Bush 233 EV

What will happen next??

__________________
yeah what wioll happen?

will the happy squirrel win over the heart of the great crabby
yeah rgith and nader is goona win hehehe

hahah

__________________
dont trust those numbers, every source i've seen has different #'s.
__________________
i voted for nader, but i live in New Jersey!!!!

crazy people who live in the swing states that voted for him are nuts!!!!

ahhhh

i hate bush!!
__________________
FL Undecided... Hmmm Popular Vote Bush wins Electoral Gore may win this is close, maybe they will tie and the sentae and house will vote, glad both are republican!!!
__________________
..12:16 AM EST....242 for everyone...
__________________
It's all coming down to Florida and CNN just showed that Bush is leading by fewer than 40,000 votes with 94% of precincts reporting . . . it WAS about 150,000 with 86% reporting . . . so Gore's gaining . . . I hope he can overcome . . .
__________________
CRAP CRAP CRAP CRAP . . . that is all I have to say
__________________
__________________
I heard over the wire nader won.
__________________
Now that I think about it.....GORE WILL WIN.


DAMN BUSHES

Mavi forum

Another one bites the dust

Mothernature.com and pets.com anounced they will be closing. I wonder if they are planing to have a huge sale to liqidate their assets.

Mavi forum

Corporate Greed sucks

here

"Recently Mathworld, what many would consider one of the more valuable Web resources, fell victim to a copyright lawsuit. We've seen in the past that through sufficient mirroring the community can save such resources (DeCSS for example) from similar legal onslaughts. What Web resources do you consider most valuable and/or most vulnerable to legal attack and is there any effort under way to mirror and preserve these resources?"

__________________
slashdot rules.... :-P
__________________
osOpinion
11/7/00

By Dave Manchester

Now that Napster has made deals with member-companies of the RIAA and decided to move to a subscription model for its software, perhaps it's time to review some of the issues.

(By the way, those wishing to continue to use their current version of Napster to freely swap tunes should get Napigator from http://www.napigator.com. Napigator permits you to use your existing Napster client to connect to free servers not controlled by Napster the company.)

As I noted by parable in my column "We're Goin' Boom, Boom, Boom," the issue is not copyright. The issue is the First Amendment. (And I am personally embarrassed for the system of jurisprudence that it is so ill-informed of the Law we repose into its care that a layman such as myself must point it out.)

When P2P (Peer-to-Peer Computing) and micropayments collide, the real casualty will be the existing economic system. True Open Source P2P micropayments could just mean the elimination of banks as middlemen, at the worst; at best, being relegated to the comparatively non-lucrative position as clearing agents. This will depend on what form P2P micropayment systems take. But what about Human Freedom to share ideas? What about Free Speech? What about Freedom to Assemble?

The issue at stake here is the Freedom to Assemble without special dispensation from the government or private arbiters of who shall be allowed Individual Rights, and who must give up those Rights.

The Internet, the Web, and each online community is a gathering of People. In the USA, the alleged Law is that we enjoy the First Amendment guarantees of Freedom of Assembly. And it bears noting that there would not even be a United States of America had not the first 10 amendments to the Constitution been included. The framers of the Constitution were unable to sell it to their respective states without these 10 essential guarantees. And they were sold as Guarantees with a capital "G."

This confers, or should confer upon those amendments a unique and overriding status that has enjoyed only sketchy and inconsistent recognition by the Courts, in this layman's meagerly informed opinion.

It matters not if we physically assemble together in a room, or on the Web. The First Principal remains the same.

Let the court decide what it may about Napster (all but moot, now). Trying to stop the aggregation of Free Persons in Communities on the web, and the subsequent sharing of ideas (in whatever form, be it MP3 or txt, jpg or pixmap, or DVD) is futile.

If Judge Patel's order to shut down Napster were upheld, that's just one more area the Law will be viewed by most as having become irrelevant. Like the simulation of an antitrust action staged against Microsoft...it lost, and was ordered to break up. Has it broken up? No. Fines? No. Sanctions of any kind? Not so far...

It seems big money is able to buy its way out of adhering to the Law, and the rulings of judges. No wonder thinking people look askance at such subterfuges for fascism and oligarchy (be it corporate or private).

Let us ask, in this regard, where the Federal Government's respect for the Law was in the establishment of the National Security Act of 1947; or in the Executive Orders leading up to it; or the layer upon layer of secret Presidential Directives. The "national security" states are outside of the Constitution and always have been. The main concern at the time was not Freedom, it was the Communist threat posed by the USSR, and COMINTERN (International Communist Party), and their doctrine of "Total War," which the UKUSA secret government picked up just as quick.

This was and is a putsch (the overthrow of a regime by a very small group). The country that would from then on live on only in simulation of Free Society was the United States.

Where is the respect for the Bill of Rights when well connected politicians acting at the behest of only the richest and most secretive concentrations of wealth seek to establish an informational cage around every single Individual on the planet, calling it "Echelon"?

Why is there a policy of 50 year delay in revealing what these elements have done? And only then, what they haven't shredded?

Individuals are going to share ideas in whatever form. And they are not going to pay a toll each time they retrieve those ideas in whatever form. They won't pay a fee for unscrewing bottle caps when they've already purchased the liquid inside. Neither will they do it when the contents are a movie on a DVD, with MP3s, or CDs.

We should, if Patel's order (or any like it) is upheld, initiate a class action suit on the behalf of the estate of Archimedes, against all manufacturers of screw-top bottles and bottle caps that fit them...after all, the screw was his idea.

This effort by the RIAA/MPAA against Napster and DeCss is fruitless tilting at the windmill of progress. The Courts can only discredit themselves and enslave us by entertaining them.

Take a look at John Perry Barlow's excellent article on technocrat.net titled "Napster and the Death of the Music Business." Barlow is right when he says there is an upheaval coming soon. It won't just apply to the Music business, either. The entire world economy will show it. We need to very carefully think through what we want from a P2P micropay system.

Should the Artists create a viable peer-to-peer micropayments system for the Web, we won't even need banks.

Soon, the Artists will be in a position to take 90 percent...not the pittance the RIAA hands them for their Intellectual Property they were duped into handing over as "work for hire" in order to get that recording contract. If you don't believe it, read a record contract; then take a look at the UCITA legislation, and the DMCA (Digital Millenium Copyright Act, legislation written by the RIAA and members, and given to "Your" representatives in the Congress to rubber stamp. Which they did. adding a few choice items AFTER hearings were done.)

It is the RIAA member companies that are offensive here. Especially when they lead groups like Metallica and Dre down this primrose path to enslavement, taking the rest of us with it.

Maybe this is part of the intelligence community's "music" project, referred to in the last pages of Miles Copeland's "work for hire," "Beyond Cloak and Dagger." Aside from the practice of covert domestic political assassination to which Paul Kanga and others may have fallen.

Too bad it won't work.
__________________
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2000Nov6.html

;0)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Good thing for online traffic school otherwise I'd be hosed

Mavi forum

Your PS2 impressions...

OK, so we've all had them for over a week (those of us who got them, that is...).

So what's the verdict. I got Madden, and rented Silent Scope from Kozmo (which rents games for, like, 6 days...):

-Madden is pretty amazing. The physics seem out of this world, and isn't techmo bowl-y in its game play (i.e., no immediate cuts, touching a guy doesn't result in a ginormous hit, etc.) I really like the realism. The "hitting through" somebody happens graphically, but not enough to be a nuisance. Can't say the same thing for the game commentary, which repeats every two minutes, as far as I can tell.
I can't believe Sony didn't include a second controller, though. How cheap can you get?! This game is pretty lame without a memcard, too. However, once you get one, the franchise feature is freaking awesome.

-Silent Scope totally bites. End of story.

The DVD player is pretty reasonable, though, I'm happy with it, although I have to buy a remote. All in all, I figure I'd have spent $160-$200 for an equivalent DVD player, so I got a better-than-DCX console for $100-$140. As the games develop further, I'm pretty psyched to see how game developers unlock the PS2's potential.

Your thoughts?

__________________
Quote:
Originally posted by pennypinch

Your thoughts?



I think I wanna go to the beach today. But it is kinda windy outside, maybe in a couple days. Better i dont go today anyway, i have to study, and I have that test on monday. ohh i should go download that one song I'm getting hungry, time to go eat something.
__________________
And hapoo keeps us in suspense.

I didn't get one, and I can see the DVD advantage. But, I just don't really care for the console. It was over hyped, and soon to be outdated. The advantage that the original PS1 had was it's technology, which made for a machine that could grow. PS1 came out and wowed people with the lowest graphics it could produce. But that was just after Super Nintendo, and before there was any real 3d console. Now, in the era of cheap video cards, PS2 has a whole lot of work ahead. On the growth and potential side, the PS2 has alot to offer, but they don't have the time to stretch out that growth. With PS1, they were able to make the growth period long, and therefore create more games, and have a larger installed base. They don't have the luxury of time, not with Dolphin and Xbox on the way. As much as I hate Microsoft, I'll be happy to buy an Xbox. It should be the best of both worlds; the expandibiliy of your PC, and the performance of a console. Sorry, but I think Sony released what is soon to be a clunker.

Blu
__________________
See, that's what they said with the advent of the N64, that the PS1 was dead in the water. Not so. We all know the N64 had better 3D capabilities/better looking games/better controller, yet the PS1 was the best selling console of all time. Explanations?

With USB ports, a hard drive bay, and an online connection of some sort, I think the PS2 is pretty capable of expansion of services. What those services will be is still to be seen, but I'm interested. I think this is just a repeat of the PS1 experience: Sega came out with Saturn, Sony clobbered it six months later, the Nintendo was too late to catch up. I think by the time the Gamecube and XBox get their act together, it'll be too late again; Sony will have too many developers in their hip pocket, Sega will be working on their next system, and only the ugly girls will be left at the party for Nintendo and MS.

Any opinions on the games you guys bought, aside from the in-house Apex reviews at http://www.gotapex.com?
__________________
SSX is soooo much fun. I recommend it.

Madden is cool. Wish it implemented more than two players, though.

Tekken is *yawn*.... Same game with better graphics.

DOA2: Hardcore is pretty fun with clean graphics.





Grip: I can't play that much because I still don't have a memory card. Argh.
__________________
here's my ps2 impression:

[high pitched voice]oh look at me! i'm the ps2! i'm made by sony! i have a dvd player! everyone will want me! you'll sell your kidneys/school education/soul to get me! la la la!

(can you tell if i received a ps2?)

j/k!

actually, i really didn't feel like paying an arm and a leg for a game system (i got my dreamcast for free). the games don't seem THAT much more impressive, not the ones i've seen that are available. or was it necessary to get a dvd player since i already have one. besides, i'm sure it works well as a dvd player, but i'm guessing that most of the time was spent on developing the gaming console. so i'm curious as to the quality of it. all in all, after seeing the amt of money people are willing to spend on it, i'd rather get out of the way of those people, spend my money on my friends, and wait for my b-day to come up...heh!



__________________
Quote:
Originally posted by Leon
SSX is soooo much fun. I recommend it.

Madden is cool. Wish it implemented more than two players, though.

According to IGN, you can play with 8 players with a multi-tap God damn, how phat would that be? Dibs not being the guy stuck playing offensive line...

Actually, I just borrowed my buddy's mem card. Buy screwed me by representing that they were going to ship in 24-48 hours. Ha ha, think again. As of today, I STILL don't think it's shipped...Nevertheless, you have to try games with the memcard, Leon, they're way better.
__________________
Penny, Buy screwed me over too on the mem card and extra controller... Here's what I did.. I cancelled it! Guess what though... I used the 30 off 150 coupon, and when i cancelled it, they didnt remove the 30 off... (i had madden and ssx in my order too)so I got madden and ssx for $65 total. So, if we keep it on the downlow, we may be able to get away with things like this in the future...

BTW- Go to Toys R US and see if they have extra stuff. Mine has a fully stocked shelf of Mem cards and controllers, so I just picked 'em up there.
__________________
OOh, very sneaky IrishSS! I bow to your superior bastardry!!

I guess I'll have to pay full price for a memcard, or consider using a PS1 memcard. Is anyone doing this, and if so, how much slower is it really? The memcard I borrowed WAS quite fast, I have to admit...

It sucks, because I told my little brothers to get me PS2 merch, but if I go out and buy a memcard and extra controller, they're stuck getting me games or something...oh well!

Has anyone played Kessen? It looks pretty cool, but I'm just wondering if anyone else has played it yet...
__________________
It's not like I was trying to screw them over, I was just really sick of waiting for my stuff. They said it would ship no later than the monday after the release, and after a week of waiting, I just said forget it. Keeping the 30 off 150 was just an added bonus!

You can't use a PS1 mem card for PS2 games, you do realize this, don't ya penny? The PS2 card will work for PS1 games though... I heard somewhere that in the middle of this month that Sony will release a 16 Mb mem card, although I can't confirm this...
__________________
I know, the screen when I added it to my cart said it would ship in 24-48 hours, but no! They now have no ETA on the thing. I'm tempted to cancel it too, but I only got a roll of paper towels with it. GRR!

Are you sure you can't use PS1 memory cards? It thought that was the point of backwards compatibility! It lists, as accessories on the PS2 box, PS1 memcards, controllers, and multi-tap. Have you tried a PS1 memory card with the PS2 yet?
__________________
Here's how it works, or so I think... You can use PS1 mem cards with PS1 games just fine... it'll read em and write to them. You can use a PS2 mem card for PS1 games as well.. it'll read em(duh) and write PS1 game info to them. Here's the thing, PS2 save game files are usually over 160K, which is how big the PS1 mem card is. So you can't save PS2 games to the PS2 mem card.

Mavi forum