PayPal Boycot

This morning I called X.com, After pressing 2 (#1 was for the elite customers) I waited on hold for 37 minutes. I asked about the Nov. 1 policy change and she confirmed a 12 dollar charge if you are under $100, I asked why she replied "Because we need to" I said well you will lose me as a customer, and she said "Oh well"...and hung up. Anyway on October 25 I will be canceling my account completely, I urge others to follow, not so much because I feel they owe me anything because the service was great till they got a bloated head... Remember the PBS Digital man complimented them on the refferal service and free use! Anyway PayPlace open your doors here I come. Remember Oct 25 (It probably won't phase them at all, but just a light tap on their door can't hurt. __________________ question: I have a paypal account (never could signup for the original x.com account - lack of credit) and haven't noticed any unusual charges. I always keep a balance under $20 (usually $0). Should I be expecting a $12 charge or should I check my bank statements to see if they already charged me? Thanks. __________________ Ya I was wondering the same thing. If I just have a paypal account....that I use for auction payments...are they charging a $12 fee on that too?? If so, they can take my account and shove it right up their ***. ~NiceMann __________________ Alright this brings up an interesting question from me too. I don't see a "balance" on my account, just an "available to spend" or something like that of $502.00. I just assumed that this was an auth on my credit card and I was granted $500 worth of $ to send without another auth or whatever. Does this mean I have $500 in my account? (I would sincerely hope they didn't charge my card like that.) Maggie http://www.dealhunting.com __________________ it was much better before when x.com and paypal were competing __________________ I called them up, and they said that the $12 charge is only for business accounts. The lady that I spoke to was actually very kind. I called to try to cancel the payment to ALEX NGUYEN for stiffin me on that palm Vx. What a meanie. __________________ The thing that says availble to spend is the amount left that you can send a person, that has nothing to due with your balance Quote: Originally posted by MaggieOK Alright this brings up an interesting question from me too. I don't see a "balance" on my account, just an "available to spend" or something like that of $502.00. I just assumed that this was an auth on my credit card and I was granted $500 worth of $ to send without another auth or whatever. Does this mean I have $500 in my account? (I would sincerely hope they didn't charge my card like that.) __________________ I've been leery of paypal lately, but so far they've treated me well. I'll keep using them for now until they start getting out of hand. Also, like I said before, I keep a very small balance, and won't "verify" my bank accounts for direct withdrawl payments. I always make it use my credit or debit card. Mavi forum

Have Heroin Users been Villainized?

by Peter McWilliams Physicians referred to morphine as G.O.M. or "God's Own Medicine." With the introduction of the hypodermic syringe in the mid-1800s, the effects of injecting morphine were discovered. The Civil War was an ideal laboratory to experiment with morphine's injectable anesthetic and painkilling qualities. The doctors went a little overboard: many soldiers returned from the war addicted to morphine. For quite some time, morphine addiction was known as the "soldier's disease." Nevertheless, by 1880, physicians recommended G.O.M. for fifty-four "diseases" including anemia, insanity, and nymphomania. The addictive quality of morphine, however, did not concern doctors. Although many people needed the drug daily, as long as they were able to get the drug, morphine addicts functioned normally in society. Most addictions are only troublesome when the addictive substance is taken away. As a culture today, we are addicted to—among many other things—electricity, packaged foods, television, and automobiles. As long as these are readily available, we don't notice our addiction. If one—or all—were taken away, we would immediately exhibit the classic symptoms of addictive withdrawal. Dr. William Stewart Halsted is widely recognized as "the father of modern surgery" and was one of the four founders of Johns Hopkins Medical Center. Dr. Halsted died at the age of 70, having revolutionized surgery (the sterile operating room was one of his many contributions). He enjoyed a thirty-two-year marriage, good health, and the admiration of his peers. However, Sir William Osler's "Secret History" of the medical center, made public in 1969, revealed that Dr. Halsted had been addicted to morphine until the end of his life. Dr. Osler, another of the founders of Johns Hopkins, wrote, He had never been able to reduce the amount to less than three grains [180 milligrams] daily; on this he could do his work comfortably, and maintain his excellent physical vigor. ~~~ makes me wonder how bad off some people would be if they were to outlaw coffee 'for the public good' ;0) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ no needles fer me buster. It's smoky glassware all the way! __________________ Creation is a drug I can't do without. CECIL B. DEMILLE __________________ villainized? never! i depend on these people for a source of income! oh wait...that's just a game... ProMinx __________________ What's your point? Growing up in the sixties when every conceivable drug was fashionable, people who injected heroin into their bodies were considered the biggest losers that ever existed. Talk about instant addiction!! These people would do anything for a "fix": lie, cheat, steal, murder, prostitute themselves. I knew a few and yes they were victims and they victimized everyone that they knew!If anyone ever thinks that this drug has no SERIOUS consequences, they are in for a RUDE DEADLY awakening/ __________________ Fake tit's suck And the nude banner's are back __________________ Quote: Originally posted by johnnymk What's your point? Growing up in the sixties when every conceivable drug was fashionable, people who injected heroin into their bodies were considered the biggest losers that ever existed. Talk about instant addiction!! These people would do anything for a "fix": lie, cheat, steal, murder, prostitute themselves. I knew a few and yes they were victims and they victimized everyone that they knew!If anyone ever thinks that this drug has no SERIOUS consequences, they are in for a RUDE DEADLY awakening/ The point, as I see it, is that if drugs were legal, they would be cheap and accessible. Addicts wouldn't have criminal records preventing them from getting decent work. Junkies wouldn't have to lie, cheat, steal, or murder (and if they want to prostitute themselves that's their business). If research shows that barring these restrictions, junkies were able to maintain and function normally within society and not behave in an otherwise criminal manner, you have to wonder: becoming an addict may be stupid, but is it criminal? And what makes it any more criminal than cigarettes, alcohol, or caffeine? Yeah, fake tits do suck, compared to real tits. But I ain't about to shove them out of my face either __________________ Well, let me ask you this: do we allow people to come to work and smoke/be drunk? While it may be a question of popularity, it's still a substance that, yup, you guessed it, affects work ability. And to argue that being under the influence of heroin is even comparable to being under the influence of alcohol is nuts. __________________ heroine has some massive consequences; it is one of the few drugs that actually causes physical pain when you are not taking it. Do not get hooked on this stuff. The only positive use for heroine is beating up people you don't like and then injecting them with it and leaving a little near them with a note saying what it is. That way...they're hooked and probably will be for a very long time (the leaving a little part is optional, but makes it more successful in my experience)... ProMinx __________________ Quote: Originally posted by pennypinch Well, let me ask you this: do we allow people to come to work and smoke/be drunk? While it may be a question of popularity, it's still a substance that, yup, you guessed it, affects work ability. If a person is intoxicated and can't function at his job, then he should be fired (or at least strongly reprimanded and referred to treatment). He should not be sent to jail, however. Quote: And to argue that being under the influence of heroin is even comparable to being under the influence of alcohol is nuts. Yeah, when a heroin addict gets high it allows him to function normally. It is only intoxicating when a user starts using the drug. By the time he's a full addict, shooting up just makes him function like a sober person, and he never gets to feel that high again (unless he quits for some time and returns to the drug). This is one of the cruelest tricks of the drug, but you'd know this if you ever bothered to do real research, or (*gasp*) talk to a real live junky, instead of just regurgitating what you learned from the propaganda feed in your living room. Whereas an alcoholic who drinks throughout the day may be able to tolerate it to some degree, but will certainly have his performance affected for the worse to some degree. Besides, I never tried to say the intoxicating effects of the two drugs were comparable. I said that the moral dilemna of whether it is ethical, unethical, or criminal to put a drug in your body for performance or pleasure is the same regardless of the extent of intoxication produced. The thrust of the above article points to research that concludes junkies whose addictions are not criminalized function fairly adequately in a law abiding manner in society. So why should they be treated different from alcoholics? __________________ Quote: Originally posted by ProMinx heroine has some massive consequences; it is one of the few drugs that actually causes physical pain when you are not taking it. Do not get hooked on this stuff. The only positive use for heroine is beating up people you don't like and then injecting them with it and leaving a little near them with a note saying what it is. That way...they're hooked and probably will be for a very long time (the leaving a little part is optional, but makes it more successful in my experience)... ProMinx Your experience? Oh yeah, I bet you perform this little trick all the time. This kind of ignorance really depresses me Do you really think you can get hooked by doing ONE SHOT of heroin? It ain't cocaine or cigarettes, buddy. Getting addicted to heroin is like becoming an alcoholic. It takes an extended period of time of regular use to get hooked. The biggest problem with drugs in America is the lack of useful accurate information and the sea of bogus propaganda and misinformation you have to wade through to find any of it. Your statement betrays the fact that you have no idea what you're talking about. Please stop adding to the problem, and educate yourself before you spread any more fallacies. __________________ Quote: Originally posted by ProMinx heroine has some massive consequences; it is one of the few drugs that actually causes physical pain when you are not taking it. Do not get hooked on this stuff. The only positive use for heroine is beating up people you don't like and then injecting them with it and leaving a little near them with a note saying what it is. That way...they're hooked and probably will be for a very long time (the leaving a little part is optional, but makes it more successful in my experience)... ProMinx I think you are referring to heroin and not Xena: Warrior Princess. __________________ Quote: Originally posted by zenbooty If a person is intoxicated and can't function at his job, then he should be fired (or at least strongly reprimanded and referred to treatment). He should not be sent to jail, however. Yeah, when a heroin addict gets high it allows him to function normally. It is only intoxicating when a user starts using the drug. By the time he's a full addict, shooting up just makes him function like a sober person, and he never gets to feel that high again (unless he quits for some time and returns to the drug). This is one of the cruelest tricks of the drug, but you'd know this if you ever bothered to do real research, or (*gasp*) talk to a real live junky, instead of just regurgitating what you learned from the propaganda feed in your living room. Whereas an alcoholic who drinks throughout the day may be able to tolerate it to some degree, but will certainly have his performance affected for the worse to some degree. Besides, I never tried to say the intoxicating effects of the two drugs were comparable. I said that the moral dilemna of whether it is ethical, unethical, or criminal to put a drug in your body for performance or pleasure is the same regardless of the extent of intoxication produced. The thrust of the above article points to research that concludes junkies whose addictions are not criminalized function fairly adequately in a law abiding manner in society. So why should they be treated different from alcoholics? Assuming you have your facts straight, we DO criminalize all sorts of other "intoxicants". Ever hear of public drunkeness? Alcoholics are thrown in the can all the time, so why heroin addicts should enjoy dissimilar treatment is beyond me. Further, I'll agree that the height of heroin intoxication is relatively benign; it is the low that is socially corrosive, and to think that legalization of heroin use will correct that is to misunderstand the crux of the problem. It is not a monetary issue, which is what most drug legalization theorists rely upon. No matter how legal heroin is, it will still have a price. That price will not allow one to procure as much supply as one wants or, worse, needs. In fact, the supply would probably be subject to some sort of government regulation, just as alcohol and tabacco are now, further increasing the cost. So am I to believe that legal, costly heroin is a safe prospect? Don't make me laugh. __________________ Quote: Originally posted by zenbooty This is one of the cruelest tricks of the drug, but you'd know this if you ever bothered to do real research, or (*gasp*) talk to a real live junky, instead of just regurgitating what you learned from the propaganda feed in your living room. Oh, and I didn't thank you profusely for giving us access to your omniscience. We are truly blessed to be in the electronic presence of "the truth". __________________ Quote: Originally posted by ProMinx The only positive use for heroine is beating up people you don't like and then injecting them with it and leaving a little near them with a note saying what it is. OK, enough of the wacky weed for you, young Prominx... __________________ Quote: Originally posted by pennypinch Assuming you have your facts straight, we DO criminalize all sorts of other "intoxicants". excuse me penny, but if U think that present US drug 'policy' has any basis in rationality I have a surplus FEMA bunker I'd like to sell U. Alcohol is probably the single most destructive drug around and the easiest one to get. Opiates, which could be grown at low cost if legally permitted, pretty much leave U to zonked out to bug anyone. If U ask me the drug policy makers in his country are just obssessed with spreading pain rather than alleviating it and it makes me want to __________________ Quote: Originally posted by renots Quote: Originally posted by pennypinch Assuming you have your facts straight, we DO criminalize all sorts of other "intoxicants". excuse me penny, but if U think that present US drug 'policy' has any basis in rationality I have a surplus FEMA bunker I'd like to sell U. Alcohol is probably the single most destructive drug around and the easiest one to get. Opiates, which could be grown at low cost if legally permitted, pretty much leave U to zonked out to bug anyone. If U ask me the drug policy makers in his country are just obssessed with spreading pain rather than alleviating it and it makes me want to Hey, I'm not defending the letter of the law, I'm defending the core of it, which (I assume) says that there are chemicals which, when taken by some individuals, have a negative impact on others that do not take it. Just because there are some (the wacky weed comes immediately to mind) that do not fit this profile, I contend that heroin is very much unlike alcohol or mara-ja-wana. Like I've said above, being on it probably renders someone quite useless, and while they should't be allowed to hold a job while intoxicated, they are largely harmless. It is when they are not intoxicated that seperates that drug from others mentioned. Damn, I've already written then, I'm not re-typing it because you're too lazy to read... __________________ Quote: Originally posted by pennypinch Assuming you have your facts straight, we DO criminalize all sorts of other "intoxicants". Ever hear of public drunkeness? Alcoholics are thrown in the can all the time, so why heroin addicts should enjoy dissimilar treatment is beyond me. To prevent this discussion from getting too far off point, I'll put aside the argument that public drunkenness laws are primarily an excuse for sweeping unsightly homeless people off city streets. Even so, arresting someone for public drunkenness is not arresting them for being an alcoholic. If a junkie, while high, disturbs the peace, harasses others, and breaks the law, then fine, toss him in the clink. But don't imprison him just for being a drug addict, just like we wouldn't imprison someone for just being an alcoholic. Assuming that being an addict means that you will most certainly break the law, so lets just toss you in prison now and get it over with is not just unethical, but flies in the face of the evidence that the above article purports. Quote: Further, I'll agree that the height of heroin intoxication is relatively benign; it is the low that is socially corrosive, and to think that legalization of heroin use will correct that is to misunderstand the crux of the problem. It is not a monetary issue, which is what most drug legalization theorists rely upon. No matter how legal heroin is, it will still have a price. That price will not allow one to procure as much supply as one wants or, worse, needs. In fact, the supply would probably be subject to some sort of government regulation, just as alcohol and tabacco are now, further increasing the cost. I disagree. If this were the case, how come we don't see alcoholics killing for beer money or cigarettes? If heroin were legalized, everyone and their mother would want to get in on action. Supply would go through the roof, and prices would fall. Even the most hardcore addict's body can only process so much of the drug in a day. This idea of need spiraling upward without bound, always overtaking one's ability to pay no matter what the price is a line of logic I just can't accept at face value. Quote: So am I to believe that legal, costly heroin is a safe prospect? Don't make me laugh. Heroin WAS legal once, not too too long ago. I don't remember the history books ever talking about dark times when addicts terrorized the general public. __________________ Quote: Originally posted by pennypinch Quote: Originally posted by zenbooty This is one of the cruelest tricks of the drug, but you'd know this if you ever bothered to do real research, or (*gasp*) talk to a real live junky, instead of just regurgitating what you learned from the propaganda feed in your living room. Oh, and I didn't thank you profusely for giving us access to your omniscience. We are truly blessed to be in the electronic presence of "the truth". Damn Straight. About time you noticed, too. __________________ Quote: Originally posted by zenbooty I disagree. If this were the case, how come we don't see alcoholics killing for beer money or cigarettes? If heroin were legalized, everyone and their mother would want to get in on action. Supply would go through the roof, and prices would fall. Even the most hardcore addict's body can only process so much of the drug in a day. This idea of need spiraling upward without bound, always overtaking one's ability to pay no matter what the price is a line of logic I just can't accept at face value. [/b] Which totally ignores the fact that heroin addicts will have almost no source of income. Look, no matter how normal a person who's high on heroin may appear (a phenomenon I have yet to witness), he or she will still need to shoot up while at work. That is to say nothing of the degradation of physical appearance that would be a bit of a giveaway, if the needlepoints aren't enough. Coming to work high is, in most companies, grounds for dismissal. You've already acceded that being high is the sober end of the continuum; the corrollery, then, is that not being high is for the addict to act abnormally. So the addict faces this dilemma: either be off drugs during working hours, and therefore be a jonesing, uesless lump, or be high at work, shooting up as needed...I don't need to finish that sentence. To change that would be expecting a radical cultural shift (i.e., allowing intravenous drugs in the workplace, something I don't really see happening anytime soon). No matter how cheaply this stuff can be produced (and I guarantee you there'll be hoops to jump through put in place by the government), addicts would have no source of revenue to pay that decreased price, therefore starting the cycle of theft and depravity we are so familiar with today. Add to that that it is pretty goddamn difficult to DIE by tobacco, alcohol, or marajuana overdose relative to a heroin overdose, and you have a pretty much, forget uphill, vertical battle for legalization. __________________ alot of heroin addicts have money to burn[like some supermodels]; most aren't on the street __________________ I remember that a person had just about a 7 year life expectancy back in the sixties once thay started shooting heroin into their veins. The people I knew back then..... I really don't know if they are still alive...And drug rehabilitation: Forget it... It wasn't possible back then and I seriously doubt that it exists today for them Mavi forum

Serious question - Homeownership

As a young, burgeoning professional (hah!), I have been thinking quite a bit about buying a house. I spent a little time after work in the library, and there must be 900 books written on the topic of buying a home with "no money down", but not a single one on buying a regular house. I plan on securing the needed downpayment from good ol' Mom and Dad, but I'd like to try and finance a portion of the mortgage with renters. Looking through some of the government program books, I seem to land right outside of the "low-income" brackets, and since I'm looking to buy a house somewhere between 300-500K...that basically means I don't live in the ghetto down here. Here's what I was looking to find out from some of you older, wiser, Apexaholics: 1) General tips and traps not to fall into...and I'm sure there are a ton. 2) I understand the risk associated with trying to subsidize my debauched style of life with renters paying me: is this really a horrible idea, or has anyone done it successfully? 3) For all you kids in Westwood, if you see a dope house for sale, lemme know! In fact, if you know of any nice houses that might be a decent deal, post here! I'm sure I'm not the only one looking to buy... I appreciate y'all's help (can you put two apostrophes in one word?). __________________ Quote: 2) I understand the risk associated with trying to subsidize my debauched style of life with renters paying me: is this really a horrible idea, or has anyone done it successfully? It's not a horrible idea, per se. I've seen many instances of success. The trick is to look for the quiet (aka geeky/nerdy) students or young professionals. The worst thing that can happen is you having to give him/her a 30 day notice. (You are planning on writing up a contract and reporting this income to the IRS, right? ) __________________ what about a 50% off coupon for a mortgage? Could use one with what houses cost nowadays Mavi forum

LeAnn Rimes

That is highly inappropriate and we won't tolerate statements like that. Any more and you will be banned. [Edited by Got Apex Moderator on 10-11-2000 at 08:51 PM] __________________ what does the H stand for? __________________ http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_033 Mavi forum

3Com Invitation?????

OK, so I got an invitation from 3Com today to go to some shindig they're throwing at a loft overlooking the Hudson River on October 17. It's all well and good, but how did I get this? I figure if I got it, then a bunch of other Got|Apex people from NYC must have gotten one. The only guesses I have are that I am a registered Palm owner - but there are a million of those in NYC - or maybe I signed up for some survey for some freebie mentioned in the Got|Deals thread - but I don't remember . . . did anyone else from NYC get this thing? In any case, it sounds pretty fun - open bar - so can't go wrong there! hehe If anyone else from Apex got this, lemme know. BTW - Yanks game is about to start - here's to a Subway Series won by the Yanks . . . WOOHOO __________________ Did you ever hear about that sting put together by the US Marshalls? They staged a "Super Bowl party" for, like, 300 known felons on the run. They got there, were enjoying their drinkee-poos and what not, and 300 Marshalls run in and arrest them. I think they got over 100 or something... Oh well, not to rain on the parade, but enjoy! __________________ Hmmmm . . . good point - but I follow the old GWB theory that whatever we did in college is inadmissable now - there's a statute of limitations on that stuff . . . and I KNOW you feel the same way - hehe - you NEED to. In any case, it would be worth the risk for free booze (c: __________________ hey butch, can u forward that email to me since im near there and it sounds decent.... admin@dvdincorporated.com __________________ It wasn't an email . . . it was a snazzy little invitation sent through the good ole' USPS. On the invitation it says "RSVP by Wednesday, October 11. You must present this invitation for admittance" . . . STILL have no idea why they sent it to me! [Edited by Butch on 10-11-2000 at 09:46 PM] __________________ damn i want to go...does it leave a number to call or an email addy? __________________ So, did you reply? When will it be? Mavi forum

Another song title request...

I cant figure out who sang this: "I can tell you how I feel about you night and day" Its a slow song that was made in the late 80's or early 90's. The DJ on the radio after playing it said it was called "night and day" but i can't find it anywhere. __________________ I think it's by A. L. B. Sure. __________________ thanks that was fast, bastards spelled night n-i-t-e I did about 20 searches for A.L.B. not realizing that the sure was apart of their name. __________________ Like the beat beat beat of the tom-tom When the jungle shadows fall Like the tick tick tock of the stately clock As it stands against the wall Like the drip drip drip of the raindrops When the summer shower is through So a voice within me keeps repeating you, you, you Night and day, you are the one Only you beneath the moon or under the sun Whether near to me, or far It's no matter darling where you are I think of you Day and night, night and day, why is it so That this longing for you follows wherever I go In the roaring traffic's boom In the silence of my lonely room I think of you Day and night, night and day Under the hide of me There's an oh such a hungry yearning burning inside of me And this torment won't be through Until you let me spend my life making love to you Day and night, night and day? the song was covered by U2 in the early ninty's or late 80s... but it was written years and years and years ago by cole porter. Mavi forum

post spoof ads and vote for your favorite

i personally like ProMinx __________________ and also ProMinx Mavi forum

No More . . .

Annoying banners! Not ones that say Nude codes or the hackers manafesto. Thanks Apex, Leon, The Corp and the other one. Mavi forum

would U move to a low-earth orbit space colony if U had the chance?

As long as there was artificial gravity, beaches, and babes I would go ;0) P.S.Oh, and plenty of the sticky green, of course [Edited by renots on 10-09-2000 at 04:45 PM] __________________ Just look at the hot alien babes that are up there. By the way I heard she had the bottom two breasts done. "Nanoo-nanoo" __________________ ROFL! __________________ i've always preferred jet black as a color for eyes over blue or green...or not... ProMinx ps - besides, she's so skinny that i would break her into eighths... __________________ TWO belly buttons? __________________ Quote: Originally posted by Leon TWO belly buttons? Assuming that those are belly buttons... __________________ No thanks - four breasts is kind of freaky. I'll stick with the triple-breasted whore from Eroticon Six. __________________ Would that triple breasted whore be mentioned in one of the funniest movies ive seen this summer??? The Mating Habits of the Earthbound Human? Mavi forum

God DAMN Tivo

Hah. Well, Christmas present #1 turns out to be a total and utter failure. Leave it to me to buy something without doing a shred of research first... I bought my Dad a 30-hour Tivo for Christmas. Problem is, he lives in Canada, and it turns out the stupid thing makes a call to the info-line every day to update its internal information. WELL, that call would be a long distance one from Canada! Oh, the humanity. Call me a moron...or better yet, a goron. One of the rock-eaters from Zelda, not the political variant of the species... So the question is now: anyone want a 30-hour Tivo? I can only give it to you for what i bought it for ($255) but you get a $100 rebate as soon as you activate the thing. Any takers? I'll even pay shipping on that bad boy. __________________ Oh man...truely sorry. I love my tivo. Actually I just called them up bitching at them because the lineup for my area wasn't right, but within 24 hours they finally had it right. 30 Hour unit is very nice, I always like to record my programs at high quality. Actually I wish Philips made a higher model that has more record time. ~NiceMann Mavi forum

Trick or treat...

for unicef.....that damn banner is getting real annoying as well as the got nude codes one __________________ What nude banner? Mavi forum

Light at the end of the tunnel?

TREASURY BANK SYSTEM COMING SOON - END OF IRS TOO Secret Congressional Bill New Treasury Bank System The End of the IRS The Return to the Constitution October 7, 2000 Dear Friends of the Constitution, I have been asked to write some of you to let you know the background of why and how the 50 states are going to a Treasury Bank system. This Treasury Bank system is expected to be announced in the next few weeks, although it has been close to being announced for some time. The timing is dependent on another major and quiet event occurring. I want to explain what has happened so you know that people who love the Constitution are behind this event. In March, 2000, as some patriotic people looked forward to the dangers of this Fall stemming from the one world government plans, they realized that some very strong steps had to be taken to move the 50 states into a safer position. One evening in March, some of these brave patriots caused a late night session of Congress to occur. The Senators and Representatives were presented with a bill which: [list=1] [*] Brought the Treasury Bank system with precious metals-backed currency into existence, [*] Abolishes the IRS, [*] Returns us to Constitutional law and takes us out of Admiralty and Statutory law, [*] Provides for prices and values adjustments to bring prices into alignment with the new currency. [/list=1] The Congress passed this law that night. (There is more to the story, however, this is all I can tell you right now.) There was a "gag order" imposed on Congress until the announcement of the Treasury Bank system. We MAY see some mention of the Treasury Banks in our media in the next week. I have been told that all major countries in the world will be announcing their own Treasury Bank systems either at the same time as the announcement in the 50 states, or soon after. Again, all of this is dependent on an outside event which essentially provides the capital for the new Treasury Banks systems worldwide. There has been a lot of discussion and speculation about HOW this will work. My information is that it will proceed in the most gentle, comfortable fashion possible. At some point, there will be a conversion of the Federal Reserve Notes (FRNs) into the new Treasury Bank notes. There will be some form of adjusting prices, real estate and mortgage values, wages, etc. into alignment with the new system -- the intent is that the adjustments are "accounting adjustments" and that everyone is able to RETAIN their wealth now. The stock market prices per share will have to be adjusted down a bit because they are all based on the inflated FRNs and there's probably not enough precious metals already mined to back all the FRNs in circulation. HOWEVER, because prices of all goods and services will also be adjusted, in the end, people should have the same buying power. There is the possibility that there will be other economic advantages when this new system is announced, in addition to abolishing the IRS. I have not asked for specific information on this from my knowledgeable contacts, however I have heard from other sources that there may be some forgiveness of credit card debt, as well as all income taxes. I do know that abolishing the IRS is supposed to effect "past, present, and future" income tax issues. There is every intent and effort being made by our brave patriots in the military, the judicial system, and the government, to have all of this happen with ease and comfort and lack of loss for ALL the people in the 50 states. There is a very big emphasis on keeping this situation FREE of martial law. YOU can help all of us to keep these transitional times FREE of martial law. We MUST AVOID PANIC OF ALL KINDS. We all can help avoid panic by letting our friends, families, and business colleagues know that this banking system change is for our BENEFIT. The reason behind getting this secret bill passed is to enable us to free ourselves of an oppressive banking system and income tax system, and to reinstate all our rights under the Constitution and return to Constitutional law. You can help by telling people to be calm and avoid panic -- this will enable us to be FREE of any need for marital law. Change is scarey for most people, however, when we have some understanding of WHO is behind it and WHY -- this can help us to move through these days free of any panic. In the last few months, due to my activities in a situation which provides the capital for the new Treasury Bank systems, I have been brought into contact with some of the brave people who made sure this secret bill was passed in March, 2000. These people know all about the very dangerous intents of the one world government, about those who are aligned with that plan, and how their plans would bring harm to most people in the 50 states. There are three major factions in our federal government/congress, military, judicial system, and world banking system. There are the ones who are aligned with the one world government and have things planned to TRY to cause reason for martial law this FALL, and (probably) trying to turn this country over to the one world government. There are people in the government, judicial system, military, and banking who are totally oblivious to any of this. And, there are our brave patriots who have on many many occasions taken very quiet action to counter the moves that would harm all of us. I know you may find this hard to believe, but there are many in the Supreme Court who have been working very hard to get us to the point of having Constitutional Law reinstated -- they have been shocked and dismayed at how the use of Admiralty and Statutory law has been used to take our rights away! They are very much working behind the scenes to make sure these major changes are implemented and to move our country away from the one world government plan. Worldwide, the initiating of Treasury Banks in each country is a direct REFUSAL to go along with the one world government plans. All of the other countries, who are also going to their own precious metals- backed Treasury Banks, are doing this to show that they are REFUSING to be part of the one world government. These changes are the BEGINNING of regaining our sovereignty. We will have MUCH more work to do to make sure we totally neutralize the dangerous plans of the one world government and the people behind it. We all need to work together to make sure we neutralize every aspect of the danger. NO Tracking! Although the new currency probably has metal strips for tracking, we must DEMAND that the computer systems be dismantled with track our currency. We must DEMAND that the computer systems such as FinCen, which track all our banking transactions, are totally dismantled and destroyed. There is much work for us to do to fully bring back our sovereignty and our rights! Our Canadian neighbors demanded that their government dismantle a snooping computer system and they were partially successful. The computer system links were taken apart. However all of us around the world need to demand that all these computer programs are totally eradicated. This Fall is a time of great concern. Although we will make great strides with these announcements of new banking system, abolishing the IRS and income taxes, returning to Constitutional law, etc., we all must work together to make sure that the dangerous plans of the one world government FAIL to go forward. You and I can do our part by getting the word out that this banking change was made possible by Patriots in the military, judicial system, and government. We can help by avoiding panic. We can help by realizing there are people in the military, judicial system, and government who are working to move us out of danger. We can help by making sure we each do our part in whatever way we can. How going back to Constitutional Law will look in the implementation is yet to be known. How that might effect the laws passed by Congress and the ones currently under consideration - is yet to be seen. I am guessing there will be a transition time on all of these issues. I know you may find this information difficult to believe, however, if you have a close relationship with someone in a major bank, you might ask them if they have received word yet about the Treasury Bank system. I know major banks in the 50 states are making the change. Smaller banks are now planning to make the change within a few months. Banks have been given the option of making the change or staying with the current system for a while. If you pray or meditate, I hope you will join thousands of us who are aware of these changes and pray that all these changes occur in a benevolent, comfortable, liberty-increasing way for all in the 50 states. The intent of our brave patriots, who have made sure this secret bill was passed, is that these great changes occur free of any bloodshed, free of marital law, free of harm to anyone. Even though the financial and stock market adjustments may "look" like there is a loss, there actually should be a washing out that leaves people with the same level of wealth, or even MORE WEALTH due to the abolishing of income taxes. The intent is to enable people to have greater wealth and empowerment. I know I am probably unknown to you. However, I simply ask that you watch the events unfold and consider that what I am sharing is true. Many brave patriots have done much to bring us to this point of regaining our sovereignty and our liberty -- at the risk of their lives! WE can do our part by avoiding panic and fear. We WILL have a lot more work to do to totally regain our sovereignty -- this is a start. Blessings to you, Just the Facts Q __________________ Now we'll get a real currency instead of this fiat **** __________________ Can you say BS! But it's BS, just like that guy outside of FAO Shwartz in Chicago who has a sign saying "The real Al Gore is dead and has been replaced by a Comunist imposter." But, I didn't bother to even read the entire post, after a few lines you can tell this is total BS. __________________ The fake Paul McCartney will be singing at the fake Al Gore's retirement party. "Say say say. Gore retired today!" [Edited by sbp on 10-08-2000 at 11:32 PM] __________________ Quote: Originally posted by sbp The fake Paul McCartney will be singing at the fake Al Gore's retirement party. "Say say say. Gore retired today!" [Edited by sbp on 10-08-2000 at 11:32 PM] we can only hope to Al ;0) __________________ Andrew Jackson Speaks To Us Posted By: Patriotlad Date: Monday, 9 October 2000, 5:11 p.m. In Response To: TREASURY BANK SYSTEM COMING SOON - END OF IRS TOO (Q) The Federal Reserve Banking System bears an uncomfortable resemblance to the second Bank of the United States: it has grabbed for itself monopolistic powers and an authority which far exceeds what was contemplated in the original design (or, that is to say, what was avowed to be the plan in public). "The present corporation has enjoyed its monopoly during the period stipulated in the original contract. If we must have such a corporation, why should not the Government sell out the whole stock and thus secure to the people the full market value of the privileges granted?" That fundamental question was asked by Andrew Jackson, who, as the President of the United States, returned the Bank Renewal Bill to the Senate in 1832. His Bank Veto message is now a classic of American political thinking, and one of the greatest arguments for the sovereignty of the several States ever made. "Is there no danger to our liberty and independence in a bank that in its nature has so little to bind it to our country? Should its influence become centered, as it may", said Jackson, "in the hands of a self-elected directory whose interests are identified with those of the foreign stockholder, will there not be cause to tremble for the purity of our elections in peace and for the independence of our country in war?" What has American history, since the founding of the Federal Reserve in 1913 been, but one excursion after another, one fool's errand after another, from attempting to resuscitate Haiti to wading knee-deep into the rivers of blood caused by the crowned heads of Europe, in their Great War? What legitimate concerns were at stake in 1917, when Woodrow Wilson bullied the Congress into declaring war and giving him extraordinary powers? The German Prince was having a spat with his English cousin while both of them worked to betray the Czar and Holy Mother Russia. "It is maintained by the advocates of the bank that its constitutionality in all its features ought to be considered as settled by precedent and by the decision of the Supreme Court. To this conclusion I can not assent. Mere precedent is a dangerous source of authority, and should not be regarded as deciding questions of power except where the acquiescence of the people and the States can be considered as well settled." There is no way to justify giving the governors of the Federal Reserve the kind of absolute power that they now exercise over the economies of Canada, Mexico and the United States, by claiming that this will somehow work to make people more equal. "Distinctions in society will always exist under every just government. Equality of talents, of education, or of wealth can not be produced by human institutions. "In the full enjoyment of those gifts of Heaven and the fruits of superior industry, economy, and virtue, every man is equally entitled to protection by law;" said Jackson -- and how we yearn for such clear thinking here in the last hours of the 20th Century. "When the laws undertake to add to these natural and just advantages artificial distinctions, to grant titles, gratuities, and exclusive privileges, to make the rich richer and the potent more powerful, the humble members of society -- the farmers, mechanics, and laborers -- who have neither the time nor the means of securing like favors to themselves, have a right to complain of the injustice of their Government." The fact that the federal tax system does not now provide for any equality, but lays most heavily on those who produce and most lightly on those who invest only, gives the lie to all of those who maintain, like the Clintonista-Blair faction of the New World Order, that the income tax is 'a necessary evil.' Jackson said: "There are no necessary evils in government. Its evils exist only in its abuses." The real question for those who would propose buying out the Federal Reserve and abolishing its monopoly control over our people, their businesses, and their private financial affairs, is what -- precisely -- is the Internal Revenue System? Is the IRS an agent of a foreign Power, beholden to some secretive cabal, and not really a part of the present Treasury? Is it a private business, masquerading as a federal Trust located in Puerto Rico, or is it just another sprawling Executive Branch bureaucracy which has burrowed into our country's very flesh and bones, like a tropical parasite? Who collects the monies that the IRS robs from the honest citizens of these United States? Where does it go, and are we still paying "secret debts" based on the 1932 or '33 bankruptcy of the organic United States? Are we still living under Franklin Delano Roosevelt's greatest swindle? "Each public officer who takes an oath", said Jackson, "to support the Constitution swears that he will support it as he understands it, and not as it is understood by others. It is as much the duty of the House of Representatives, of the Senate, and of the President to decide upon the constitutionality of any bill or resolution which may be presented to them for passage or approval as it is of the supreme judges when it may be brought before them for judicial decision." The Constitution and all of its lawfully ratified amendments are our foundational laws, the very sinew and bones of this Republic: the Uniform Commercial Code and any such reiterations of ship's law or Admiralty Law are best described as either muncipal contrivances which have been laid over common law, and which are mere conveniences, or as foreign-controlled contrivances which dispossess the native-born of their rights, their property, and most assuredly of their income and earnings via the income taxes. The banking interests have chosen to meddle, in many different ways, in the elections of these sovereign States, and especially looking to control the Senate, where Treaties must be approved. They must be dispossessed, themselves, if we are ever to regain our lost liberties, and to enjoy the fruits of our labors in a free and democratic Republic, where egalitarian distinctions proceed from natural abilities and natural law, and communistic notions of "equality" in all normal human abilities are banned. The royal families of Europe have long since merged their own interests with the banking houses and the business fronts that their cleverness and their hundred-year plans have obscured. They think generationally, while we Americans think about what is happening in the next ninety days, or next month, or next week. ~~~ would be nice to have a currency whose value wasn't guaranteed to fall ;0) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ what George Washington really meant to say was: Avoid Foreign Con Games __________________ ahem...bull****...excuse me; i had something in my throat. ProMinx __________________ Quote: Originally posted by ProMinx ahem...bull****...excuse me; i had something in my throat. ProMinx Would you care to elaborate on that? __________________ Quote: Originally posted by zenbooty Quote: Originally posted by ProMinx ahem...bull****...excuse me; i had something in my throat. ProMinx Would you care to elaborate on that? umm...dry chunky bull****...? heh heh ProMinx Mavi forum

Do some people consider Harry Potter satanic?

Texas school district: No 'Harry Potter' without parental OK By The Associated Press 10.06.00 GALVESTON, Texas — The school district at the center of the recent football game prayer debate is now requiring parental permission for students to read Harry Potter novels, which critics say promote witchcraft. Santa Fe principals are requiring written consent before students can check out any of the four popular books by British author J.K. Rowling. The policy is an attempt to limit the access students have to books some parents might deem unacceptable, The Galveston County Daily News reported. "Some parents just don't want their kids reading that," superintendent Richard Ownby said. "If they want to read it, we'll have it. But we'll need parental permission. We don't want to ban it." A bookseller in nearby Galveston said the action sets a dangerous precedent. "Do they ask for permission for every book in the library?" asked Jay Clements, owner of Midsummer Books. "That's my concern, that this book is being singled out. When you start setting up obstacles to certain works, you're starting down that road to censorship." A recent U.S. Supreme Court decision barring student-led prayer before public school football games was the result of a lawsuit filed against the Santa Fe Independent School District. Santa Fe, about 40 miles southeast of Houston, is largely a Southern Baptist community. Ownby said he probably would let his own children read the books, the only ones in school libraries that require parental approval. The Harry Potter series has dominated bestseller lists for two years. Clements says they have torn many young people, including several of his new customers, away from video games and television. "There is a segment of the population that believes anything that deals with the supernatural that is not Christian is bad," he said. Clements said parents have no reason to be concerned that their children might change religions just by reading the books. "I haven't had any kids return as pagans after reading the books," he said. __________________ I wonder what would happen if some kid brought a bible into school. The liberal atheists would have a conniption fit before kicking the kid out of school. Remember folks only some books are bad in schools and should be censored! __________________ Quote: Originally posted by sbp I wonder what would happen if some kid brought a bible into school. The liberal atheists would have a conniption fit before kicking the kid out of school. I sincerely doubt that has EVER happened. Some of the stuff you used to say was provocative. Now you're just trying to get a rise out of people. __________________ The first 3 or 4 Harry Potter books were recently introduced in China. For a while, there was a bit of controversy there because the government thought it might encourage children to get into the occult. Well, long story short - even the Chinese government decided that was silly and that the book would probably be a good influence on kids, so now the series is openly sold there. __________________ I guess they are allowed to read Stephen King, but not Harry Potter Blu __________________ The South frightens me. ::kisses his blessed New England soil:: __________________ Actually it has happened pennypinch. Some kids were suppose to bring their favorite book into school. One youngster brought in a bible. The kid was suspended from school! __________________ Quote: Originally posted by Ben_Williams The South frightens me. ::kisses his blessed New England soil:: Only if you've never been there and are totally ignorant of its people (as most New Englanders are). I grew up in New England, as well. When I first moved to the South I was afraid I'd be living in a land of racism, rednecks, and rifles. Thankfully the stereotypes were greatly exaggerated. Oh sure, there was racism, and even some bible thumping Fundamentalist types, but no worse than the racism, homophobia, and Catholic values I had experienced northeast, or now out west. In fact, it wasn't until I left the South and heard what others who'd never been there had to say about it that I began to see just how widespread, ignorant and dangerous bigotry is in our society. __________________ Quote: Originally posted by pennypinch Quote: Originally posted by sbp I wonder what would happen if some kid brought a bible into school. The liberal atheists would have a conniption fit before kicking the kid out of school. I sincerely doubt that has EVER happened. Some of the stuff you used to say was provocative. Now you're just trying to get a rise out of people. NO SHEEIT, MAN!!!! What's up with you?!! Huh? Huh? __________________ Quote: Originally posted by sbp Actually it has happened pennypinch. Some kids were suppose to bring their favorite book into school. One youngster brought in a bible. The kid was suspended from school! If that's not urban legend I'll eat my feet. Mavi forum

Time to Upgrade.....Ever?

Last week I received two different samples of those expensive newsletters( the ones that cost approximately ten dollars an issue that you supposedly can't live without). Well, they both stated that the glory days for computers are just about over. They said that most businesses and consumers have as much power and memory as they will ever need, and that the only expansion in the industry is foreign markets. I know that I surf with a 133 Compaq and a 56K modem and I am quite satisfied. For more serious applications, I use a 400 PII with more memory, etc. After reading the articles, I wonder if they are right. I know for streaming video and exotic graphics programs and people who want to use the fastest games, that may be an exception. I would imagine that the people who visit gotapex are on the top of cutting edge technology and there are probably quite a few who want the latest or fastest. However, I doubt that they buy whole new systems; instead they upgrade components. Any comments? Do you see any reason to go to a faster system? __________________ Until much faster broadband becomes available, the reasons to get newer, faster systems will always be the same: Full Screen DVD/Movie playback (or output to TV), high speed 3d games, and a faster windows boot time. I am happy with my k6-2 400 for this __________________ Quote: Originally posted by Y2J Until much faster broadband becomes available, the reasons to get newer, faster systems will always be the same: Full Screen DVD/Movie playback (or output to TV), high speed 3d games, and a faster windows boot time. I am happy with my k6-2 400 for this Actually the only reason they still make faster chips is because microcrap keeps increasing the size of they're programs by 200% while slowing it down by 400% :p Mavi forum

Mysterious Illness

It's seems like the last two weeks I've come down with something that isn't a flu or a cold, but seems to drain me of all my energy and makes me kinda achy. Makes me wonder if all that stuff about chemtrails on rense.com could have some basis in reality... __________________ I was hanging out today with my friend who recently[?!?] came down with Tourette and had a hard time controlling herself; her most recurrent phrase, I **** U not, was 'I F#ck wh#res,I F#ck wh#res '. I tried to work with her to modify it to 'I gnock doors', but it was pretty bad and here I was thinkin' things like this only happened on tv... p.s. I voting for this guy __________________ Quote: Originally posted by for20 It's seems like the last two weeks I've come down with something that isn't a flu or a cold, but seems to drain me of all my energy and makes me kinda achy. Makes me wonder if all that stuff about chemtrails on rense.com could have some basis in reality... Mono? Mavi forum

Any Given Sunday uncut, damn, that eyeball scene was unnecessary

Freak, that eyeball scene. It was deleted from the big screen for a reason, totally gratuitous in grossness. __________________ Yeah, I just bought the DVD, and I have no clue why that was even included. Maybe a guy during filming really DID lose his eyeball...I thought the commentators were pretty funny, though... "it looks like...there's some eye damange" __________________ What about the scene in the locker room with the guy with the elephant schlong! That was more than a little bit nasty! I guess that they just wanted to reinforce the stereotype that African Americans have bigger units! I want to start a stereo type that Asians have the biggest units! I know I do....not. __________________ "The Longest Yard" was a much better football movie. "North Dallas Forty" was even better. Mavi forum

Home Theater Main Speakers?

I know some of you guys out here are audiophiles, or at least enthusiasts. During the summer, I got a new TV, receiver and DVD player. I have a 5.1 setup right now, but the main speakers have blown mid's, and I'm looking for a new pair of nice ones. So, in your own opinion or experience, what are some quality brands, and more so, models? I know (or at least think I know) that JBL and Infinity are nice ones, but after that, I'm a tad lost. I'm looking for a pair at a price up to $300-500. Also, another question on the side here. My receiver puts out 100W to each channel. Do I need to get speakers that can handle more than 100W? If I get ones that are say 200W, when I turn the vol. all the way up on my receiver, are the speakers(200W) able to handle that easily? If someone could explain, or point me to an explination of wattage meanings in speakers, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks for all your help, Ian __________________ ---------------------------------------------------- So, in your own opinion or experience, what are some quality brands, and more so, models? I know (or at least think I know) that JBL and Infinity are nice ones, but after that, I'm a tad lost. I'm looking for a pair at a price up to $300-500. ----------------------------------------------------- Ok.. 1st: Don't rely on brand names! Instead rely on what you like the sound of. Get out and listen to some speakers. There is going to be a compromise, (size of speakers/price/appearance/sound) it's up to you to find out what YOU like. 2nd: If you liked your old speakers, get them repaired! You can easily and (somewhat) cheaply get your speakers reconed for a LOT less than the price of new speakers. ------------------------------------------------------ My receiver puts out 100W to each channel. Do I need to get speakers that can handle more than 100W? If I get ones that are say 200W, when I turn the vol. all the way up on my receiver, are the speakers(200W) able to handle that easily? ------------------------------------------------------ Watt ratings on speakers are pretty much bull5hit. If you get some decent speakers they will be able to handle whatever you throw at them (within reason). Where the distortion comes from is NOT your speakers - but your amplifier (in your reciever). The higher the volume, the higher the distortion. Some of the distortion will come from your speakers if you over-drive them, but I'll be willing to bet it's mostly from your amp. I haven't seen many recievers where you can turn the volume all the way up to the 11 position without it starting to clip/distort like crazy. Of course you need speakers that can handle the power, but like I originally said, don't rely on the power handling rating too much. Good luck!! __________________ I called the manufacturer of my speakers to see what the repair cost would be, and he told me because tehy were 9 years old, they could only give me a ball park figure. After you add in S+H, it would cost me around $150 each speaker, at a minimum, to get it repaired. So that's why I'm after new ones. Also, in my town, there isn't a whole lot of retailers to choose from, so thats why I was after other peoples opinions. We just got a Best Buy, but they only have 9 or 10 sets of speakers, and they want a whole lot of money for them as well. Other than that, there's one Audio\Video speciality store, but they don't have a big selection either. I was thinking of using my GC's from echo on some of the more expensive JBL's at amazon. Mavi forum

Can someone explain the badges to me?

Call me an idiot, but I've been looking at these ever since the upgrade and I'll be damned if I can figure them out. I understand the icons on the left (the bars, flower-like things, and the eagle), but the black and yellow thin & thick lines on the right mystify me. __________________ arent those the things that go on the shoulders of the uniform __________________ No no, I understand where the idea for them came from, but I don't understand what they represent; it's obvious that they somehow show the number of posts, but I can't figure the system out. Some have thick yellow lines, some have thin yellow lines, some have yellow dots, and there are combinations - what's it all about? Quote: Originally posted by Newbiee arent those the things that go on the shoulders of the uniform __________________ beats me..i dont question the system i just play along __________________ So NOONE knows what these mean? ;p __________________ BADGES?!! WE DON'T NEED NO STEENKIN' BADGES!!! sorry, someone had to do it. __________________ why not? __________________ Quote: Originally posted by zenbooty BADGES?!! WE DON'T NEED NO STEENKIN' BADGES!!! I was waiting for that. It looks like they were taken from chest pins with ribbons. There may not exactly be an order they are in, but if you compare the number of posts with the design you can basically figure out which is heigher rank than the others. Mavi forum

CyberCraft

C Y B E R C R A F T by Mike Morgan WARNING: The Reality Master General has determined that this manual may significantly alter your reality. Usage of the knowledge in this manual may be perceived as dangerous and subversive by those in authority. Proceed with caution. Don't be alarmed when things start changing. Don't panic. The fun has just begun. My special thanks to: Dr. Robert Anton Wilson, Dr. Timothy Leary, Dr. John Lilly, Dr. William Glasser, and Antero Alli. These are the brave humans who offer us guidance through exciting and troublesome times. They point to a better world for all humans and especially for the Changelings. Introduction To CyberCraft Up to this point in human history WoMankind has taken itself to the brink of doom and returned with most of our parts intact. That is our physical members are somewhat healthy. But our minds, our psyches have suffered. And we are racing toward the time of mutation. Some of humanities minds are mutating already. These minds and the resulting bodies will offer us a map into our future. The future calls us. It calls us in a silent voice from the primordial deeps of our genetics and minds. The very chemicals which make up our minds and bodies are signaling a nearing of the time of transition. It will be upon us soon and if we aren't prepared for the Changelings to manifest some humans may well start another series of witch hunts to eliminate these precious few new humans. Indeed it is in the best interest of Four Circuit humans to stifle the advantageous mutations. Otherwise Four Circuit humans will be quickly overcome. Already the Changelings may be about. Their wisdom has alerted them to the possibility of persecution. The Hidden Ones do well to keep their existence unknown until the time of Knowing has been reached. But we all won't mutate together or at the same time. We have a responsibility to those that will follow us to create a framework in which they may progress toward positive results. It is to these ends that the authors are creating a framework to take Eight Circuit humans into and beyond the time of transition. With a small electro-chemical voice we are being urged to communicate with you the possibilities of the current mind mutation. From this brief amateurish work we will develop a framework to help assist all inquiring Four Circuit humans on the path to the next stage of transition. CyberCraft is a path toward the transition. It is not the only path either. And indeed we will probably discover competing organizations. Some may hinder, others may assist the transition. From our pursers we ask only to be left alone in peace. We are not going to harm, only progress. Peace to you and yours. Hence we present you with a viable framework to approach the transition. That framework is CyberCraft. The craft of piloting oneself through troubles to reach the point of transition. This is the first printed introduction and explanation of CyberCraft. In Colorado Springs on October 6th of 1987, I was initiated into an eclectic coven of Witches. Previously I was an ardent Born Again Christian from the Bible Belt of the South. Over time I came to discover the Christian Belief System, the CBS, didn't satisfy my personal needs. However after personal searching and synchronous meetings I was accepted into an intimate group of exciting and very wonderfully witchey people. Two years later in 1989 I felt that the most important and life changing aspects of Witchcraft were being misrepresented. American Witchcraft, among many other things, is an adaptation of a primitive form of group therapy, of extending one's immediate family, of resource sharing and most importantly, a better way of thinking. But even after many years of practice, longtime initiates seem to not understand the basis of American Witchcraft. Herein is the first publication of CyberCraft, an addition and update to American Witchcraft. CyberCraft is not meant to replace Wicca or the Craft. It is meant to interpret the metaphor further and provide the needed time and energy for other deeply needed works. That's at least what this author perceives. I'm sure I'll receive some criticism for trying to add to or improve American Witchcraft. Which brings up the very valid question. Why attempt to update American Witchcraft when it seems to be doing so well? There are many reasons. Some of them are: to provide a more expansive framework for the initiates to work in. to accelerate the trend toward some magikal social threshold, to emphasize the really interesting aspects of the craft, to further empower the individual, to streamline the philosophy, to bring it more in line with current psychology, to weld the cosmology with current and progressive astronomy and physics and finally, to provide a more reasonable path of personal growth while having fun. These are just some of the reasons. We also have a duty to align ourselves with the future, to protect and nurture the new arrivals. Among our children will come the Changelings. And if we gain the power to reincarnate purposefully we ourselves may indeed become The Children of the Changelings. 1.The first chapter is the proposal. This has been published in draft form on several national computer networks as Cyber Wicca. However after some lengthy discussion with my partner we came to the conclusion that Cyber Wicca was too limiting and not descriptive enough of our efforts. The real commodity is now in your hands as CyberCraft. 2.The second chapter is a description of the lower four biocircuits as talked about by Robert Anton Wilson, a.k.a. RAW. These bio-circuits are extremely important when considering CyberCraft. I feel it of vital significance to begin to understand how and why we think what we think, which of course, causes us to do. 3.Chapter Three is Darkmoor. Previously written about as Chapel Perilous we find it more interesting to call it Darkmoor. 4.Chapter Four is of the upper four circuits. These are the modes or circuits which we are all progressing toward. For once I feel we have an intelligent and useful map of our futures. History will be written in reference of what Leary and Wilson have framed it in. And because of theSemantic-Time Binding nature of the written word, we'll all benefit. 5.There are other articles beyond these. Their purpose will be apparent upon reading them. Welcome to CyberCraft. We hope that the tradition will solidify in a satisfying way, offering the participants many advantages and insights for piloting their little ships through chaotic seas. ~~~ ;0) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'm no witch, I'm a Cyberpunk! [Edited by renots on 10-06-2000 at 03:22 PM] __________________ just one word... WHOA...... __________________ how much time does Renots spend looking for these things every day?! Geez ProMinx __________________ aw geesh, not another one of these damn long posts __________________ http://www.deoxy.org __________________ its a conceptual offering of philosophic technoshamanism, the site known as The Deoxyribonucleic Hyperdimension is the last word on evolutionary ideas and knowledge __________________ I like starcraft better myself. My life for aiur Mavi forum