Is anyone getting email replys from the forums, that are missing the required /forums/ part, www.gotapex.com//showthread... __________________ I've gotten one person tell me this too. Please let me know if anyone else does.__________________ Quote:
Hmm, I go it again for this thread... is that proper english? "I've had" __________________ Sorry. I was typing too fast for my own good."I have had one person tell me the same thing." Better?  __________________ I made some changes to the Forums templates, so it should be fixed. Let me know if you still have problems.__________________ Thanks__________________ Dead again....It continues to forget /forums/ MAKE IT remember Mavi forum |
Monday, June 11, 2007
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Finals are coming!
This quarter passes by so fast that I didn't realize finals are coming next week! AHHHH~ Good luck to all the students. __________________ Finals suck. That is all.__________________ Quote:
I concur... __________________ But, I need a 49% on the final to keep an A in 1 of my classes  I have 2 others. __________________ *K2 screams away in fear* *twitch*__________________ Quote:
__________________ I guess I should start attending class on a regular basis again.__________________ Quote:
I bet that is not an upper division class. __________________ Quote:
Upper division! Ha!! That's probably still high school.  __________________ Quote:
Cute: This is the official title: ENVD 275 History of the Designed Environment 2 Although it is not a Graduate study class it is a fairly difficult class. I am just proficient at history I suppose, where as my Natural Disasters in the Design World a 125 course requires that I get a 95 to keep an A. And my Speaking amongst colleagues a 150 course I will be lucky to get an A, so although I do well in school, History and Studio are my expertise. I am however recieving an A+ in web browsing... __________________ He really IS sooooo smart!!! Bow..Wow!...Bow..Wow!!!__________________ Finals are gonna suck (I have three on Monday), but man is it gonna feel good having 4 weeks off. Too bad I have to work to make money for Spring Break . . . .  __________________ I could understand you only need 49% in history in order to receive an A. Ah, when I was a freshman, I needed like 80% in final to get A in programming. Now, I'm lucky to get A- in upper division CS courses and have to study my butt off.__________________ Quote:
__________________ Lear-ned me well.[Edited by AmRivlin on 12-03-2000 at 12:15 PM] __________________ Whats all this talk about "A" I have no knowledge of this myth.As for final scores I need a 50% to pass... whoo hoo __________________ NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!I have 6 finals this quarter... And yes, I am a college student__________________ 6 finals? They shouldn't be hard for me if only if they are Chinese.  Good luck doc.__________________ I have a final tomorrow. But first, ritual suicide!Mavi forum |
Do You have any good cures for the common cold
I have one hell of a cold. Whats a good remedy to relieve stuffiness and big drippy sinus syndrome? __________________ 5000 mg of Vitamin CI kid you not. If you take that every day, you wont ever get a cold __________________ Y2 is that amount a safe amount to take every day?__________________ you shouldn't take too much Vitamin C, you can overdose!!I just try to rest, taking medicine usually just makes the cold last longer. __________________ you cant overdose on Vitamin C. Whatever your body cannot absorb, it comes out in piss__________________ there have been study's both ways. i'm not sure which is correct myself.http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/new...ta_051298.html http://www3.utsouthwestern.edu/libra...r/covrdose.htm __________________ Alka Seltzer Cold & Flu Medicine....- easily absorbed into your system as opposed to tablets or capsules.... - puts you to sleep within 30-40mins... (sleep is crucial if you wanna get better faster..) - and for some reason, it makes you pee a lot... I think all the germs get peed out....well, that's just MY theory.. hahahah =P it has always worked for me... within 2 days I'm all better.... __________________ I'd always heard that too much Vitamin C makes your system really acidic and can lead to ulcers and stomach-aches. But I think that's when you're popping like 10 of them a day. Or you can ignore me and read the actual articles that hapoo posted. That's probably a better idea.__________________ Quote:
You'll also have a permenant case of the worst diarrhea of all time... For me, the answer is pretty simple. As Dennis Leary once said, "Big n, little y, Big ****ing Q!" Mmmm, sweet, sweet NyQuil. __________________ A couple good stiff bourbon & cokes always relieved my sinuses. Just don't take it with a sore throat.__________________ Quote:
Along those lines, there's the old family cure - take one bottle of 80+ proof booze (preferably Scotch), and a bunch of blankets. Crawl under all the blankets with yer bottle of booze and don't come out until you've downed the booze and sweat everything outta yer system. Of course, I am not a doctor . . . and my family probably isn't the best one to take advice from . . . but I thought I'd just throw it out there. __________________ I was also told that if you go under a bunch of blankets and sweat for a while it'll help you get better__________________ I have a horrible cold too Abbs, I have been taking Vit.C (3 500mg pills a day), Zinc and Echinachea. Saline spray up the nose evey few hours, and running the humidifier. Too much Vit. C will give you the green apple splatters so be careful.Now, why do many old family remedies involve booze? Mine is a couple of tablespoons of honey some fresh lemon juice and tequila. It really helps with a sore throat, and tastes pretty decent. __________________ Quote:
__________________ minerals are good toohttp://www.fountain-ofyouth.com/c.htm __________________ Quote:
My guess is that back in old family days, doctors out in the country were scarce and medicines and drugs even more scarce. But liquor was always easy enough to obtain or make. Other than vitamins and minerals, no drug or medication will make you get better quicker. They just relieve symptoms. I would imagine mid and long-term sweats under the blankets would help purge the virus out quicker, and for similar reasons so would acupuncture. Liquor will take the pain away as fast and effectively as anything you can get over the counter. __________________ Alka seltzer will kick the **** out of a cold-but its LOADED with sodium-MEGA doses of VIT. C work wonders and YES-whats not absorbed will be filtered through the kidneys and be passed out in the urine-but even with all my nursing background I think any long term usage of MEGA DOSES of anything will have some type of adverse affects. Abbra stick with a great big ladle full of wild turkey and honey every hour on the hour-maybe if you are lucky you'll sleep right through your cold!__________________ Quote:
She's right.. they pulled it from the shelves. Hot tea and honey is a good 'feel better' to help with throats. __________________ I usually take some zinc tabs lot's of water some chicken soup and sleep like a log ...but that's just me__________________ Quote:
you can overdose on anything even vitamin C lots of excess is excreted, this is true, but if you take too much you will not be able to excrete it fast enough and too much will be metabolized works kinda the same way alcohol dose but yes you cna overdose on vitiamn C but a god shot ofit one time will help the body utilize what it already ahs and it wont hurt you any more then maybe a stomach ache and frequent bathroom break for a day __________________ the best things to fight sickness:for men: someone to laugh at thier complaining "boo hoo im sick" for women: snuggle up to a squirrel at night hehe __________________ especially with all the Binding agents that R used 2 make those tablets. Got|Chalk?Fresh, Organic citrus is probably Ur best bet *80) __________________ I heard there's no cure for the common cold cause it's a virus or something. There are many ways to prevent it but once you get it, all you can do is get plenty of rest (and alcohol).This is what I heard about the Vitamin thing... Vitamins A,D,E,and K are fat soluble and large doses can cause Vitamin poisoning, but that doesn't mean you can't "overdose" on the water soluble Vitamins B,C. That's what I remember learning from Nutritional Science 10. Too much of anything is bad. Didn't someone say that too much of anything will cause cancer? Who knows? Popping all those vitamin pills might cause throat and finger cancer. [Edited by ucbstan on 12-02-2000 at 02:34 AM] __________________ Quote:
In to those sick women, eh, squirrel? Is that your version of getting them when they're vulnerable? Heheheh.__________________ Quote:
Yes!! Nutri Sci 10!! The greatest class ever, next to my 3-credit DeCal on the dangers of tobacco. 1 1/2 hours a week, no homework, no final, 3 credits. Sometimes I love Berkeley. And then I go to Soda Hall to do another CS project. __________________ I have managed to stay away from most plagues by taking Vitamin C pills (yes, your body will urinate excess amounts, but it can cause kidney stones) One 5000 mg pill won't kill you. Just read the directions.Drink tons of water and oj. About half of what you eat should be from the fruits/vegetable category. If it's a sinus cold, stay away from dairy. It'll thicken anything trying to come out of your nose or throat. The best way to beat a cold is not to get it in the first place. If you work out, don't life weights for more than an hour. Any more than 60 minutes will cause your body to release stress hormones which will lower the immune system. Take your vitamins, and eat your vegetables. Hope it helps. Oh yeah, watch out for drug interaction, and stay away from alcohol. __________________ pills at all so I normally drink a quart of OJ every couple days, and I make Chicken Noodle Soup, extremely hot and load the salt, after which I let it slide down my throat and soothe the pain... Not responsible if u burn urself...__________________ "I can't swallow," she said. "That's okay just do the best you can honey," I replied.  __________________ *clobbers SPB with a VERY BIG shoe*....O hey ABBS..how bout GARLIC? I have heard that works good too-just steep a few cloves in some boiling water for a few minutes-remove cloves,add salt to taste-and some REDHOT. mmmmmmmmmmmmm.__________________ ohh yeah, i just remembered one cure i was taught that will get rid of the cold really really quick. ONION JUICE!! yeah, you blend an onion, strain out the fiber and drink it down. It'll kill the cold before you can chug the whole thing down (that is if it doesn't kill you first)*I've never actually tried this* Mavi forum |
I wonder what the new site design will look like?
OK lpmiller, you've dropped enough hints already. We all know that it is coming. The Got|Apex crew started with refurbishing these forums first to keep us occupied while they worked on the new site design. "you can't rush beauty..." and "no, you can't wear it" were dead give aways. I will be the first to bid $0.50 on lpmiller's guts! __________________ no bids, but their may be some coupon deals on my lower intestines.__________________ Sweet! Can I get $50 off 50 feet?? __________________ I am predicting a nice blue as seen in forums, w/ an intricate top menu area, maybe soem scripts around the place, I attempted to find new graphics, but most likely have a different directory than /images. We will wait and see tho!__________________ Scrub the poop deck ye scurvies and let the Got|Apex crew take care of everything.  [Edited by sbp on 12-01-2000 at 01:36 PM] __________________ YYYAAAARRRR!!!Mavi forum |
Cool new site and an easy $10
There's this site, http://www.utorials.com/, that just launched. You write a tutorial about anything, and if its the top for that category you get $10. The thing is, it just opened so it'll be easy to be the top in a category. Good luck! __________________ bah... not such a good deal... read on...Making money Every calendar month the author of the top utorial based on average hits, one per category, will receive $10 in the form of a Webcertificate. These can be used any place online just like a MasterCard. Follow this link to get more information on webcertificates. Utorials are only eligible if they have a rating of 3.0 or higher at the end of the month. How winners are chosen The top utorial is chosen by taking the average number of hits per day since the initial post to the end of the month. For example, say you submit a utorial on the 12th of March. You receive 100 hits the first day, 70 hits the next day, and 50 hits till the end of the month. That averages out to 53.5 hits/day. If another person submits something on the 1st of March and gets 50 hits per day, that person's average is obviously 50 hits/day. The author of the utorial with the highest average in each category, for a total of 18 top utorials, will get paid. It's as simple as that. How hits are counted A 'hit' is considered one unique impression, or page view, of a utorial. Reloading the page repeatedly will not increase the hits. The best way to increase your utorial's success is to strive for quality and helpfulness. __________________ I don't see what the problem is. It just says the person with the most average hits each month gets $10.__________________ You've knowingly spammed portions of Gotapex that should be spam free. Did you even read the blurb associated with the Got Deals page?Look, you've posted this inane site in the MLM, Spam, and referrals page once. That's enough. I'm sure GAM's trigger finger is already twitching at the odour of your flagrant disregard for our rules... __________________ I know you are the "Rear Admiral Lower Half" to you I am a lowly "Lieutenant Commander", yet in this instance as SEP I relieve you of all dutys here by giving you leave with pay and full benifits (What even those may be), until a Court Marshal takes place, it will conviene December 20th, after a thourogh investigation is completed. Got|Milk will represent you in this case. If you are not satisfied with him, Alex N. will be flown in. Newbiee or not, The alegations are as follows, as a seasoned member you have developed vetrans disease, a toxin spread amongst the great leaders during the great .com layoff's of 2000. This so called disease has impared your judgement to the point where you directly take out anger on anyone that makes a mistake knowingly or unknowingly. And unless you are GAM I don't believe you can know what GAM would like to do. "That's enough. I'm sure GAM's trigger finger is already twitching at the odour of your flagrant disregard for our rules..." That will go on for the record. Love ya Pinch, but maybe lighten up.And for the GAM lets not get trigger happy, no one likes that, not accusing, I just know a board with suspended members is quite, whats the word, irksome. __________________ No need to post this in multiple forums lennyr. The correct forum you posted in is the MLM, Spam, and referrals forum. Next time please post this sort of thing only there.GAM [Edited by Got Apex Moderator on 12-01-2000 at 07:21 AM Mavi forum |
Space Shuttle Launch in around 25 min
http://www.unitedspacealliance.com/live/NASATV.htm __________________ Took a few trys to get in.it is much better in person tho, been to 1 launch 4Amer __________________ That was really neat, to bad bandwidth was in low mode, couldn't tell if the laptops at Mission Control were dell or power...__________________ I saw it too...somthing different, was kind of neat, and it ws nice how that guy told you what was going on with the whole mission. __________________ darn, missed it __________________ Remember kids, if you see a space shuttle launch on TV, and the remote is broken. Run for the plug and pull it!!__________________ hrm, good idea; thx!  Mavi forum |
Thoughts on Rio 500
So my brother wanted an MP3 player for Christmas, but I really didn't want to drop the cheese required for something not-crapulent. __________________ If he doesn't care about weight, then you should buy him the one with the 5.4GB hard drive. I don't remember who made it.__________________ hmm..there is one that i've been lookin at. Tad expensive, but i think its one of the best, small memory, mp3 players http://www.sonystyle.com/sonystyle/4...7.default.html its made by sony $399.95, its small, and uses sony's memory sticks. The best feature i like about this is the built in lithium battery. This means that the battery doesn't have a memory. If u want a big thing get that new Creative one. Its a 6 gig mp3 player. OR!!! u can get one of those that plays cds and mp3s burnt onto a cd Wanna talk?, come to the irc #got|apex? on irc.dal.net ..hehe, (yeah i just had to get that in there )__________________ I have the Rio 500, and it's not a bad player. If you crave a large variety without having to haul flash cards around, then it probably isnt the one you're looking for. I take it snowboarding, and it tides me over pretty well. It's extremely small size is a bonus, but it's lack of a radio tuner kind of sucks. For $135, it's not a bad deal. If your bro's a hardcore music addict, and wants to carry a huge load of music with him, look somewhere else. If he is a casual user, it's prolly perfect for him.__________________ Quote:
That's what I needed to hear. Thanks. No reliability problems? __________________ The software (RioPort) is really flakely until you register it. Be absolutley sure to do this before you try and use it. Other than that, I have not had a single problem with it.Mavi forum |
Would it really make a difference?
As far as this whole election ordeal, I think Homer said it best: __________________ If I left my house during the day?Probably Not      Mavi forum |
HELL is a fine place for vacation...
or so I read when I stumbled on this lame websight ..I HAVE NO IDEA how I ended up here...but this top ten list was on it and I thought it may hit home with some of you. __________________ dude, lesson learned...I'm making sure my mom never learns how to make a website __________________ oblongmelon isn't a dude. __________________ Dude, everybody's like, dude.__________________ Well it depends on who is asking.. [Edited by oblongmelon on 11-29-2000 at 06:38 PM] __________________ DOOD??!!?  __________________ hmm...just testin the new smiles       hehe...koo Mavi forum |
Al U SUCK
Albert Gore U R a genuine ******* __________________ What in the...renots, you're starting to spell like the Squirrel...and you're coming off almost as bigoted as the 'milk. Jewish folks running the media? Whoo-boy, cut down on the sticky green... __________________ Hey, I've got enough relatives 2 gnowYes, I'll say it again many Jews have given Intellect precedence over their Heart. I point the finger at power~hungry freedom~hating politicians like DiFi for encouraging antisemitism among the general population, a prejudice that even I have had the displeasure of experiencing. So There :0p __________________ Wow, Major Brain Damage!!__________________ 2 realatives = the general Jewish population. Riiiight.I suppose that my entire family must be the exception? Oh, wait there are more than 2, so I can say that the general Jewish population acts the same. renots/for20, you've gone from posting interesting stuff that the whole board would read to an extremist that posts consistently offensive materials. Blu __________________ Quote:
you wouldnt happen to be talkin about GOTMILK now would you. __________________ Quote:
Yeah, milk's not a bigot, he's a nimrod  __________________ Picking over presidential "undervotes" and trying to divine voters' intentions just ain't right! Or at least that's the argument Republicans and Bush family surrogates have been making for the last several weeks in Florida. Doing so can lead to endless recounts, changing the rules after the votes are cast, "mischief," and a number of other bad things. But apparently this is a rule that only applies east of the Mississippi. In New Mexico on Tuesday, Republican party officials prevailed upon the state canvassing board to have a judge, of all people (state District Judge David W. Bonem), consider whether undervotes in Roosevelt County should be re-examined and possibly included in the county's tally. Gore currently leads Bush by 483 votes in New Mexico, and there are 570 undervotes in Roosevelt County, which voted for Bush 2-1. Mickey Barnett, a Republican national committeeman for New Mexico, said he found it "highly unusual" that 10 percent of the voters in the southeastern New Mexico county chose not to vote for president. That's of course the same argument Republicans ridicule when it's made in Florida by the Gore forces. __________________ No, the percentage of "undervotes" in Florida is more along the lines of 2.5%, well within a point or two of the historically expected numbers, if you look at non-vote averages around the country over time. 10%, now that's statistically abnormal. I'm not saying impossible, but its far more out of the ordinary than the ballots in FL. Don't be fooled! Anybody can lie using statistics and sound like they're speaking truth. __________________ In Miami-Dade County there were approximately 10,000 "undervotes," meaning votes on which the tabulating machine detected no choice for president. That's 1.6 percent of the total. But undervotes are just one type of "nonvotes." The other type is "overvotes," where a voter punched out two or more holes. There are about 18,000 of these, which when you add it to the 10,000 means that 4.4 percent of the votes cast in Miami were "nonvotes," not 1.6 percent. The undervote in Miami-Dade amounts to 1.6% of the entire 600,000 votes in that county. The "10%" in Roosevelt County amount to 570 votes, thus implying the entire county contains a whopping 5,700 votes! With a sample set one one-hundredth the size, the standard deviation is much larger. Additionally, when you speak of the Florida under-vote, you exclude over-votes which were not counted either. This brings the total up to 5% both of these statements are quoted from slate to read the full article on bush's undervote hypocrisy go here: http://slate.msn.com/code/ThisJustIn...idMessage=6587 __________________ ...so nice to have a alternate persona to lapse into and rantFor20's point, minus the vitriol, was that calling for disarming otherwise lawful citizens without due process in the face of a potentially tyranical government[and don't try to tell me FEMA couldn't be Abused toward that end!] is tantamount to a declaration of civil war. think twice before U blurt out what U think U believe :0) __________________ so fakefigures, everyone is expected to behave according to statistics at all times and if they don't fall into the predicted figures[like duh 85/15 means that even 15% time it will happen which is still POSSIBLE if not likely; like a whole other bunch of stuff in Life where the odds seem impossible BUT YET IT HAPPENS]Turn OFF Ur LieVision already; it not making U any more informed :0) __________________ The undervote in Miami-Dade amounts to 1.6% of the entire 600,000 votes in that county. The "10%" in Roosevelt County amount to 570 votes, thus implying the entire county contains a whopping 5,700 votes! With a sample set one one-hundredth the size, the standard deviation is much larger.Actually, at around 5000, the sample basically approaches random, statistically speaking. The sampling error between 5000 samples and 5,000,000 is basically negligible, even when we're talking about differences of 500. __________________ ROFL!!!!http://www.gopfun.com/moredubya.html __________________ Penny,Thats only true with two or three outcomes (presidential polling data). A long ballot has thousands of possible outcomes and therefore a statistically sound sample that accounts for for everything (stolen ballots, ruined ballots, 'acts of dog', undervotes, overvotes) would need to be much larger than 5k. Saying that a sample that small would correctly predict highly unlikely outcomes accurately, would be like an average pre-election poll accurately predicting Howard Phillips' (of the U.S. Constitution party, makes George W. Bush and his cronies look like Al Sharpton) final vote total. Sheesh!  I thought you were a math guy.__________________ Quote:
Holy crap, you couldn't be more wrong!! __________________ Quote:
I think you're using some "fuzzy math" here . In fact, as far as this sample is concerned there are only two outcomes. Either a vote for president or no vote for president. The issue in New Mexico was not missing ballots, dog-eaten ballots, or what have you. It was simply a statistically abnormal number of ballots that did not register a vote for president when read by the machine. The rest of the ballot is not being analyzed for the purposes of this measurement, and is independent from the line listing the presidential vote (despite what some desperate Democrats would have us believe). For all intensive purposes this is a presidential poll, so pennypinch's (and my) argument stands.__________________ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?...541&p=34513449Mavi forum |
what is Jury Nullification?
http://nowscape.com/fija/_600wrd.htm __________________ I've heard about this before. Too often judges and lawyers have forgotten what the legal system is there for and who it is there for. Citzens are uninformed ignoramus's just there to be hurried along like kids to far too many of them.__________________ ***evilcyclops steps onto soapbox***Well, if you know this you are most likely an informed and intelegent person. The two qualities that will get you kicked of a jury durring selection in a heartbeat. The people with innitiative and common sense usualy use it to AVOID jury duty and therefore cause the system which protects us most, to be broken. So if selected for jury duty pretend to be stupid. Then you will have a chance to have a real effect on our community and may be even our country. ***evilcyclops steps off soapbox*** __________________ If Only People wouldn't watch So Much TV__________________ Men do not make laws. They do but discover them. Laws must be justified by something more than the will of the majority. They must rest on the eternal foundation of righteousness. That state is most fortunate in its form of government which has the aptest instruments for the discovery of law. Calvin Coolidge, to the Massachusetts State Senate, January 7, 1914 __________________ http://www.friesian.com/nullif.htm[The jury has an] unreviewable and irreversible power...to acquit in disregard of the instructions on the law given by the trial judge...The pages of history shine on instances of the jury's exercise of its prerogative to disregard uncontradicted evidence and instructions of the judge; for example, acquittals under the fugitive slave law. ~ District of Columbia Circuit Court of Appeals, in United States v. Dougherty, 1972 Indeed, if juries do not have the right and power to nullify the law, we must face the fact that Harriet Tubman, one of the great heroines of American history, would and should have been guilty of multiple federal crimes by violating the fugitive slave laws. That is a morally revolting prospect, but judges today who reject nullification must confess that they would enforce the fugitive slave laws and convict Harriet Tubman. If they were to honestly admit as much, and hold themselves powerless to disobey unjust and morally despicable laws, they should be told that "obeying orders" was not accepted as a defense in the Nazi war crime trials at Nuremberg. It is tempting to say that today we don't have laws like the "fugitive slave laws." That would be a serious self-deception. The prisons are full of people who have done nothing wrong, except be in possession of a "controlled substance" that the federal government, at least, has no authority under the Constitution to "control." People dying of cancer or AIDS have been arrested and jailed just for growing and smoking marijuana, the only thing that enables them to eat, take their medication, and stay alive. Despite the passage of medical marijuana laws in many states, as far apart as California and Maine, federal prosecutors have viciously targeted medical mairjuana activists, who are often very ill themselves, and have found pliant judges who prohibit medical necessity defenses. But must we simply accept such possible injustices in order to uphold the rule of law? By allowing jury nullification, do we not license the misuse of the principle, as when Southern white juries would acquit KKK'ers for murdering or terrorizing blacks or Jews? Unfortunately, as long as we have trials, by jury or otherwise, it will be possible for bias to misuse the law and perpetrate injustices. KKK'ers would have gotten acquitted because a large part of (white) public opinion, and the staff of the courts themselves, was biased in their favor. Regardless of the duties of judges or juries, a means was going to be found in such circumstances to prevent their conviction. The remedy for that is a system of checks and balances. A local jurisdiction, whether in police or courts, that allows KKK'ers to murder people and get away with it is violating the 14th Amendment by denying the "equal protection of the law," making itself liable to federal civil rights intervention, as was vigorously pursued by Ulysses S. Grant, before the shameful capitulation of the Republicans, after Grant was gone, in 1876. Does jury nullification contribute to, rather than mitigate, such judicial misbehavior? No, because it is part of the system of checks and balances itself -- a check against the bias of judges and the irrationality and corruption that creeps steadily into the law, as irresponsible legislators and judges think about things other than justice. Jury nullification is not a violation of the rule of law because it is part of the rule of law. It represents a basic misconception of the principle of the "rule of law" itself to say that it means that everyone absolutely must obey the law until the law can be changed by the appropriate processes. Indeed, that conception of the rule of law would forbid civil disobedience, which was justified by Martin Luther King, quoting St. Augustine, that, "An unjust law is no law at all." But how can we have the rule of law if we accept something like that? How can people just go around judging for themselves whether a law is just or not? The answer is, that they have to, and that is simply the principle of moral conscience. The rule of law is not contrary to that; for the rule of law is not an injunction to blind obedience. Instead, the rule of law is a principle of the limitation of the authority of government. To be "ruled by laws, not by men," is the old expression. Now, a jury nullifying a law or a protester practicing civil disobedience is not engaged in ruling. Instead, they are doing the precise opposite: negating the instructions and actions of government. The principle of the rule of law does the same kind of thing, for it means that the authority and power of government and of individuals in office is limited to those spheres, those issues, and those actions that are specified by the law. The rule of law denies to government unlimited or discretionary power and authority. The rule of law is thus part of a system of checks and balances to prevent dictatorship and despotism. Because of that, it is curiously the case that you do not need to have laws to have the rule of law: for the whole system of Common Law developed through the practice of the courts in considering claims that someone had committed a wrong. The original purpose of trial by jury in the Magna Carta was similar. The threat, indeed, addressed by the Magna Carta was of the laws and judges of King John. If Magna Carta juries could not nullify the laws of King John, or ignore the instructions and rulings of his judges, trial by jury would have been a useless protection. But the Barons, in obtaining King John's pledge, as Lysander Spooner wrote in 1852, "were engaged in no such senseless work as that." The jury is the last line of defense, the last check and balance, against tyrannical government, if, that is, it is charged with determining the justice of a case and not just with blindly applying the law as given by a judge. It was become a very interesting perversion of the sytem of checks and balances when, as we are told, the Constitution means whatever the Supreme Court says it means but that we are then expected to obey without resistance. Since the Supreme Court has in general, since the New Deal, interpreted the Constitution to mean exactly the opposite of its original purpose, which had been to establish a federal government of limited and enumerated powers, but which now seems to have gotten us a national government of unlimited and plenary powers, which can legislate or regulate in any matter whatsoever, what we have seen is the destruction of the rule of law, through the arbitrary authority of an irresponsible court, rather than its preservation. When the citizen demands that the government obey the Constitution, and the government replies that it is obeying its interpretation of the Constitution, which gives it authority and discretion far beyond that overthrown in the American Revolution, then the whole idea of the "rule of law" has been turned around to justify the very kind of arbitrary, discretionary, and unaccountable authority that it was supposed to prevent. __________________ "Since the Supreme Court has in general, since the New Deal, interpreted the Constitution to mean exactly the opposite of its original purpose, which had been to establish a federal government of limited and enumerated powers, but which now seems to have gotten us a national government of unlimited and plenary powers, which can legislate or regulate in any matter whatsoever, what we have seen is the destruction of the rule of law, through the arbitrary authority of an irresponsible court, rather than its preservation." This is unfortunately absolutely true. No doubt about it the Supreme Court over the decades have engaged in judical fiat. They totally disregard{ed} the Constitution and make up laws for their agenda [example: see Roe vs. Wade} instead of the legislative branch properly carrying out its defined role of passing laws the people want. This shameless behavior of judicial activism has gotten slightly better over the past decade with the appointment of those who who know what the proper role of the Supreme Court is. But alas there still remains a lot of work to be done and not only with the Supreme Court. The legislative and executive branches of government, especially of the federal government, have also engage in such power grabbing of matters which are none of its concern.Can people not see the ultimate power the judicial branch of government has grabbed for itself? No of course not as long as government takes care of them they don't worry about it. Ultimately this lemming-like behavior will lead to tyranny. Each branch of government under the Constitution has its own resposibilities and is supposed to be equal to the other 2 branches of government. So one branch of government is not supposed to rule over the other 2 branches of government as has the Judicial branch done for many years over the legislative and executive branches of government. Just as in the jury system we the people are the supposed to be ultimate arbiter of whats okay. We, the people are the final check and balance in this intricate system of check and balances set up by the great founders of this wonderful country. Basically this **** needs to stop. As evidence by the recent misconduct of the Florida Supreme Court throwing out rules this crap happens at the state level. Freedom or Tyranny folks. Its your choice. So take back the power you have. :0) [Edited by sbp on 11-30-2000 at 04:58 AM] __________________           __________________        __________________  http://www.jpfo.org Mavi forum |
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